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Thank you - my thoughts exactly. As an avid music collector and listener I understand that my interest in this issue probably isn't comparable to most other peo

Thank you - my thoughts exactly. As an avid music collector and listener I understand that my interest in this issue probably isn't comparable to most other people, but I think there's no doubt that licensing deals will change/end and music starts to disappear from streaming services. There are already and always have been large gaps in the streaming catalogs but those are mostly releases that have never been there in the first place. I guess it will be different when John Doe sees his Spotify library shrinking and realizes that he was just renting all this music.

StavrosK 9y ago
Can I plug something to you guys? I'm the same as you, I like collecting and listening to music, and I was tired at how fragile playlists are. If you move some files or rename them, they break. So, I wrote a spec for a new format, which is resilient to pretty much all operations: http://universalplaylist.stavros.io/ http://universalplaylist.stavros.io/ I'm currently writing a plugin for beets, but if anyone wants to help out with implementing an import/export plugin for a music player with library functionality, I would love that. I'm basically trying to scratch my own itch here, and hopefully one that many other people have.
- thirdsun 9y ago
  You're right. Migrating playlist from one platform, or just a player, to another is huge problem. Keeping them in sync seems impossible. A universal cross-platform playlist format seems like a much needed feature, but I don't se ehow this could work without significant changes in every supported player/software. Here's a very real playlist issue I'm facing right now: I use Roon as my main audio player / music management solution. Roon manages my library which is located on a NAS. I have a few playlists created there, but no way to sync them to my iPhone unless I manage a separate playlist in iTunes which has access to the very same NAS library. It's not a deal breaker since I'm used to playlists being software-specific. Unfortunately I don't see that changing anytime since everyone's answer to this problem seems to be using one single streaming service - a solution which, frankly, handles this particular problem very well, but doesn't work for me due to disadvantages of streaming discussed earlier in this thread.
  - Natanael_L 9y ago
    It would perhaps need an accompanying software service that could handle integration between music services you use. Almost like a music librarian.
  - StavrosK 9y ago
    The solution for that is what I do now: You keep one canonical copy of your playlists in UPL and use that to export to PLS or copy files to a directory, as needed. Then you import that playlist/files to your devices.

StavrosK 9y ago

Can I plug something to you guys? I'm the same as you, I like collecting and listening to music, and I was tired at how fragile playlists are. If you move some files or rename them, they break. So, I wrote a spec for a new format, which is resilient to pretty much all operations: http://universalplaylist.stavros.io/ http://universalplaylist.stavros.io/ I'm currently writing a plugin for beets, but if anyone wants to help out with implementing an import/export plugin for a music player with library functionality, I would love that. I'm basically trying to scratch my own itch here, and hopefully one that many other people have.

thirdsun 9y ago
You're right. Migrating playlist from one platform, or just a player, to another is huge problem. Keeping them in sync seems impossible. A universal cross-platform playlist format seems like a much needed feature, but I don't se ehow this could work without significant changes in every supported player/software. Here's a very real playlist issue I'm facing right now: I use Roon as my main audio player / music management solution. Roon manages my library which is located on a NAS. I have a few playlists created there, but no way to sync them to my iPhone unless I manage a separate playlist in iTunes which has access to the very same NAS library. It's not a deal breaker since I'm used to playlists being software-specific. Unfortunately I don't see that changing anytime since everyone's answer to this problem seems to be using one single streaming service - a solution which, frankly, handles this particular problem very well, but doesn't work for me due to disadvantages of streaming discussed earlier in this thread.
- Natanael_L 9y ago
  It would perhaps need an accompanying software service that could handle integration between music services you use. Almost like a music librarian.
- StavrosK 9y ago
  The solution for that is what I do now: You keep one canonical copy of your playlists in UPL and use that to export to PLS or copy files to a directory, as needed. Then you import that playlist/files to your devices.