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Not sure how the author comes to the conclusion that opus isn't widely supported. Opus is supported in all major webbrowsers and natively in modern Android sys

by hannob 9y ago

Not sure how the author comes to the conclusion that opus isn't widely supported. Opus is supported in all major webbrowsers and natively in modern Android systems. I'd call that widely supported.

libeclipse 9y ago
I guess it's relative. Compared to MP3, a lot of stuff could be considered "not widely supported".
Yaggo 9y ago
> Opus is supported in all major webbrowsers and natively in modern Android systems. I'd call that widely supported. http://caniuse.com/#feat=opus http://caniuse.com/#feat=opus Not supported in Safari. I guess the reason is that iOS devices don't have hardware encoder for it and Apple doesn't want to compromise battery life (maybe marginal issue with audio, but big issue with webm).
- jhasse 9y ago
  > I guess the reason is that iOS devices don't have hardware encoder for it and Apple doesn't want to compromise battery life (maybe marginal issue with audio, but big issue with webm). I rather think that Apple doesn't like the idea of royalty-free codecs which would make it easier for free operation systems to support multimedia on the web. AAC helps to keep you locked into macOS or Windows, because it works out-of-the-box there (in contrast to Linux distributions like Fedora).
  - brainfire 9y ago
    On the other hand, the only audio format I'm aware of Apple inventing in the last 20 years is royalty-free and available under the Apache license. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Lossless https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Lossless
    - jhasse 9y ago
      It wasn't royalty-free from the beginning, in contrast to FLAC. Guess which browsers don't support FLAC: http://caniuse.com/#search=flac http://caniuse.com/#search=flac
huskyr 9y ago
Opus is not supported in IE11 and Safari (both iOS and Mac). If you take the 'global' statistics from caniuse.com that's about 37% of all people. I wouldn't call a technology that's only available to 63% of your users 'widely supported'.

by hannob 9y ago

Not sure how the author comes to the conclusion that opus isn't widely supported. Opus is supported in all major webbrowsers and natively in modern Android systems. I'd call that widely supported.

libeclipse 9y ago

I guess it's relative. Compared to MP3, a lot of stuff could be considered "not widely supported".

Yaggo 9y ago

> Opus is supported in all major webbrowsers and natively in modern Android systems. I'd call that widely supported. http://caniuse.com/#feat=opus http://caniuse.com/#feat=opus Not supported in Safari. I guess the reason is that iOS devices don't have hardware encoder for it and Apple doesn't want to compromise battery life (maybe marginal issue with audio, but big issue with webm).

jhasse 9y ago
> I guess the reason is that iOS devices don't have hardware encoder for it and Apple doesn't want to compromise battery life (maybe marginal issue with audio, but big issue with webm). I rather think that Apple doesn't like the idea of royalty-free codecs which would make it easier for free operation systems to support multimedia on the web. AAC helps to keep you locked into macOS or Windows, because it works out-of-the-box there (in contrast to Linux distributions like Fedora).
- brainfire 9y ago
  On the other hand, the only audio format I'm aware of Apple inventing in the last 20 years is royalty-free and available under the Apache license. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Lossless https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Lossless
  - jhasse 9y ago
    It wasn't royalty-free from the beginning, in contrast to FLAC. Guess which browsers don't support FLAC: http://caniuse.com/#search=flac http://caniuse.com/#search=flac

huskyr 9y ago

Opus is not supported in IE11 and Safari (both iOS and Mac). If you take the 'global' statistics from caniuse.com that's about 37% of all people. I wouldn't call a technology that's only available to 63% of your users 'widely supported'.