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Honestly I'm looking forward to Spotify running out of money and shutting down so this generation will wake up that they need to start duplicating and archiving
by intoverflow2 9y ago
Honestly I'm looking forward to Spotify running out of money and shutting down so this generation will wake up that they need to start duplicating and archiving their media before they lose it.
Have a strong feeling there is going to be a cultural black hole where large segments of music etc lost in the post-naptster/post-piratebay world because it only existed on the artists machine, Spotify's servers and YouTube's servers.
(I understand pirate bay is still kicking but its all certainly way more niche that it was 5-10 years ago)
- thirdsun 9y agoThank you - my thoughts exactly. As an avid music collector and listener I understand that my interest in this issue probably isn't comparable to most other people, but I think there's no doubt that licensing deals will change/end and music starts to disappear from streaming services. There are already and always have been large gaps in the streaming catalogs but those are mostly releases that have never been there in the first place. I guess it will be different when John Doe sees his Spotify library shrinking and realizes that he was just renting all this music.
- StavrosK 9y agoCan I plug something to you guys? I'm the same as you, I like collecting and listening to music, and I was tired at how fragile playlists are. If you move some files or rename them, they break. So, I wrote a spec for a new format, which is resilient to pretty much all operations: http://universalplaylist.stavros.io/ http://universalplaylist.stavros.io/ I'm currently writing a plugin for beets, but if anyone wants to help out with implementing an import/export plugin for a music player with library functionality, I would love that. I'm basically trying to scratch my own itch here, and hopefully one that many other people have.
- thirdsun 9y agoYou're right. Migrating playlist from one platform, or just a player, to another is huge problem. Keeping them in sync seems impossible. A universal cross-platform playlist format seems like a much needed feature, but I don't se ehow this could work without significant changes in every supported player/software. Here's a very real playlist issue I'm facing right now: I use Roon as my main audio player / music management solution. Roon manages my library which is located on a NAS. I have a few playlists created there, but no way to sync them to my iPhone unless I manage a separate playlist in iTunes which has access to the very same NAS library. It's not a deal breaker since I'm used to playlists being software-specific. Unfortunately I don't see that changing anytime since everyone's answer to this problem seems to be using one single streaming service - a solution which, frankly, handles this particular problem very well, but doesn't work for me due to disadvantages of streaming discussed earlier in this thread.
- Natanael_L 9y agoIt would perhaps need an accompanying software service that could handle integration between music services you use. Almost like a music librarian.
- StavrosK 9y agoThe solution for that is what I do now: You keep one canonical copy of your playlists in UPL and use that to export to PLS or copy files to a directory, as needed. Then you import that playlist/files to your devices.
- KozmoNau7 9y agoI'm a happy user of Spotify, but I have kept all of my MP3's and such locally. I am also well aware that Spotify may shut down some day, and I'll simply gather local copies of everything I like, during the shutdown period. It's not like they're going to shut down instantly from one day to the next, there'll be a reasonable warning period. As for music disappearing, I have only ever seen that on my ISP's own streaming service, I've never actually seen it happen on Spotify.
- Normal_gaussian 9y agoTracks get pulled from spotify regularly as deals expire and aren't renewed. My fiveour hour piano playlist is missing a few, as is my 400 song revising playlist from university (its down to 394) - what they are I don't know, I just know they are less.
- Bakary 9y agoIt may not always work but there is an option in settings that shows these so-called "unavailable" tracks. Not helpful but it will at least bring closure.
- dehue 9y agoI find that feature very helpful. If a track I like is no longer available and I enjoy it enough to want to download it, I can always go somewhere where it is available and buy it/download it. Much better than it just randomly disappearing and then having to remember what track could possibly be missing out of my 100+ song playlist.
- Normal_gaussian 9y agoThanks for this! It is helpful as it allows me to make manual corrections
- Piskvorrr 9y ago"there'll be a reasonable warning period" - wishful thinking, I'm afraid.
- nicky0 9y agoVinyl FTW
- KozmoNau7 9y agoVinyl is cute, and I love the huge cover art. But it's also fragile, takes up a ton of space and has compromised sound quality.
- michaelgrafl 9y agoI like vinyl. But as a backup medium CDs are just as good if not more robust, I think. I have yet to experience a single CD failing. Even CD-Rs turned out to be pretty robust unless being handled with an utter lack of care.
- jarman 9y agoMain difference is not robustness. It's that CD are digital and can be copied perfectly.
- nilliams 9y agoWorth knowing most new vinyl records come with a copy of the digital download too. Amazon will also automatically add (most?) vinyl purchases to your Amazon Music Library, and allow download.
- ska 9y agoCD-R, and especially CD-RW variants, are not robust, and not a good archival form. CDs themselves are pretty good. Vinyl, with some care for environment, is really good for archival.
- ctdonath 9y agoI've long held that the great tragedy of the Information Age will be that nothing will be remembered.
- kerbalspacepro 9y agoIs it that nothing will be remembered, or that what will be remembered is a chaotic mess?
- eppsilon 9y agoOr that everything will be remembered, but no one will remember what was important.
- lightedman 9y ago"Have a strong feeling there is going to be a cultural black hole where large segments of music etc lost in the post-naptster/post-piratebay world because it only existed on the artists machine, Spotify's servers and YouTube's servers." That has already happened several times. Anyone remember silent films? Most of the scores were never archived, so most of the original music that went to those films is lost to history.
- toyg 9y agoThat was also because a lot of those scores were actually performed live, but yes, it has happened already and it keeps happening every day - tons of books, movies and cds are never reprinted because they are copyright-encumbered but not popular enough, and eventually their master documents are misplaced or lost... if it can happen to Kubrick, Dr. Who and Joy Division, it can happen to anything and anyone.
- rospaya 9y agoEven smaller bands still sell CD's or at least use Bandcamp.
- Bakary 9y agoI've gone the opposite route. After years of careful curating my music library, I started to feel chained to the past, listening to a handful of tracks over and over. Since music is connected to strong emotions, this would also bleed into other aspects of my life and cause me to be less forward-thinking. I'm fully aware that Spotify and its competitors are deals with the Devil but if they allow me to feel less burdened, the price is worth it. It's deeply hypocritical but I also secretly hope that at least a few people stick to archiving and curating just in case.
- logfromblammo 9y agoI trained a NI expert system on the kind of music I like, and turned it loose on the Internet, where it uses the Amazon wishlist API to make recommendations. In other words, I had a kid, played my favorite music to the baby, and can now mooch off all the wonderful new CDs that show up in the house. All CDs get ripped and encoded as FLAC for the family media drive, and everyone transcodes their own lossy files for their own portable devices. It's kind of an expensive solution, though, and occasionally fails to recommend music that I like.
- aoeuasdf1 9y agoCan you post code for this somewhere?
- logfromblammo 9y agoIt has been around forever, and sufficiently detailed practical demonstrations are all over the network--often flagged with the acronym NSFW, which stands for "Natural Sapience Field Work".~
- Natanael_L 9y agoYou left out the training system details for the neural network.
- r3bl 9y agoI'm a happy Spotify user, but for discovery, not the actual playback. Discover Weekly is highly helpful, and the Release Radar is basically functioning like my music RSS feed. I also use Spotify's save option as basically bookmarks on which albums to download. Therefore, Spotify is still more than relevant to me, even though I'm keeping local copies of music. I can't really discover new stuff in my own library.
- metaphorm 9y agoI'm waiting for a mass movement of artists to offer direct sales at reasonable prices. I would love to own media files, but I currently don't even have the option of buying them in a sane (legal framework) and fair (to the artist) way at a reasonable price. Until then I'm ok with streaming.