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Yup sorry about that, the app is available only in the US (& Canada) due to some legal restrictions we couldn't avoid. FWIW I also worked about on Richard's New

Yup sorry about that, the app is available only in the US (& Canada) due to some legal restrictions we couldn't avoid. FWIW I also worked about on Richard's New Internet concept for this season so I definitely hear ya ;)

Kiro 9y ago
What are those legal restrictions? Just curious.
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ominous 9y ago
Can you please enlighten us as to what kind of legal restrictions apply here? It is always interesting to see how these «little» legal details get in the way of running software. Congrats for getting the app out!
- atemerev 9y ago
  NSA probably shared a few libraries/ pretrained models with them, and forgot the waiver.
- 0x0 9y ago
  Could it be that the app is using HTTPS? iTunesConnect has all these crazy questions with very little guidance about encryption and export compliance if you say you do use HTTPS.
  - ascorbic 9y ago
    Guys, we have HTTPS in the rest of the world now! But seriously, the iTunes connect question specifically excludes stuff like HTTPS using the regular libraries, which is just as well as otherwise pretty much every app would be affected. Legal issue is probably boring IP rights stuff.
    - 0x0 9y ago
      It's not that easy. Even the first question in iTunesConnect explicitly states you must answer "yes" even if you just make use of the built-in HTTPS libraries in the OS. If you start digging into the various guidelines you open a can of worms of recursive cross-references between documents and sections. Nowhere have I seen a statement that says "if you just use os HTTPS, you don't have to do anything". At the very least you may have to consider if you have to submit various annual self-classification reports. For an app like this I could easily see a serious company deciding to skip the hassle and CYA, instead of potentially taking on a huge legal risk. Would you, as a regular worker-bee developer, be OK with personally signing off and accepting a legal risk on behalf of a large company without involving expensive lawyers to evaluate the validity of your opinion on this legalese? Would that be a responsible action to take?
throwaway29292 9y ago
Can we expect a similar POC for this P2P-based New Internet that you have scoped up? Basically, how feasible are the concepts explained by Richard?
- atemerev 9y ago
  It is called "Urbit".
Mithaldu 9y ago
Don't apologize here. Apologize on the product page for this and all other similar things you do in the future to reduce amount of surprise for customers (and as a result also enmity created towards you).
- Bogdanp 9y ago
  And the World's Most Entitled comment award goes to... The authors of this app don't owe you anything and are entitled to sell it in whatever countries they so choose. Additionally, the app doesn't even get listed in countries it's not available in. The only reason you and other non-US users (such as myself) are able to see it is because the OP posted a link to the US version of the app store on a forum where the vast majority of visitors are US-based. Get off your high horse.
  - Mithaldu 9y ago
    The author of the software disagrees with you, otherwise his response here would not have included the word "sorry": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14347371 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14347371 Also, the show this app is based on is accessible to an international audience.
simonvc 9y ago
How much of it is inspired by Ethereum? /r/ethereum is assuming loads
justifier 9y ago
how does a decentralised mesh network cross oceans?

Kiro 9y ago

What are those legal restrictions? Just curious.

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ominous 9y ago

Can you please enlighten us as to what kind of legal restrictions apply here? It is always interesting to see how these «little» legal details get in the way of running software. Congrats for getting the app out!

atemerev 9y ago
NSA probably shared a few libraries/ pretrained models with them, and forgot the waiver.
0x0 9y ago
Could it be that the app is using HTTPS? iTunesConnect has all these crazy questions with very little guidance about encryption and export compliance if you say you do use HTTPS.
- ascorbic 9y ago
  Guys, we have HTTPS in the rest of the world now! But seriously, the iTunes connect question specifically excludes stuff like HTTPS using the regular libraries, which is just as well as otherwise pretty much every app would be affected. Legal issue is probably boring IP rights stuff.
  - 0x0 9y ago
    It's not that easy. Even the first question in iTunesConnect explicitly states you must answer "yes" even if you just make use of the built-in HTTPS libraries in the OS. If you start digging into the various guidelines you open a can of worms of recursive cross-references between documents and sections. Nowhere have I seen a statement that says "if you just use os HTTPS, you don't have to do anything". At the very least you may have to consider if you have to submit various annual self-classification reports. For an app like this I could easily see a serious company deciding to skip the hassle and CYA, instead of potentially taking on a huge legal risk. Would you, as a regular worker-bee developer, be OK with personally signing off and accepting a legal risk on behalf of a large company without involving expensive lawyers to evaluate the validity of your opinion on this legalese? Would that be a responsible action to take?

throwaway29292 9y ago

Can we expect a similar POC for this P2P-based New Internet that you have scoped up? Basically, how feasible are the concepts explained by Richard?

atemerev 9y ago
It is called "Urbit".

Mithaldu 9y ago

Don't apologize here. Apologize on the product page for this and all other similar things you do in the future to reduce amount of surprise for customers (and as a result also enmity created towards you).

Bogdanp 9y ago
And the World's Most Entitled comment award goes to... The authors of this app don't owe you anything and are entitled to sell it in whatever countries they so choose. Additionally, the app doesn't even get listed in countries it's not available in. The only reason you and other non-US users (such as myself) are able to see it is because the OP posted a link to the US version of the app store on a forum where the vast majority of visitors are US-based. Get off your high horse.
- Mithaldu 9y ago
  The author of the software disagrees with you, otherwise his response here would not have included the word "sorry": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14347371 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14347371 Also, the show this app is based on is accessible to an international audience.

simonvc 9y ago

How much of it is inspired by Ethereum? /r/ethereum is assuming loads

justifier 9y ago

how does a decentralised mesh network cross oceans?