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I haven't read the article but this is high time we rethink "commune-ism". Not a feudal system under the politburo, but communal ownership of robot-factories, m

I haven't read the article but this is high time we rethink "commune-ism". Not a feudal system under the politburo, but communal ownership of robot-factories, more along the lines of Kibbutzim and some anarchist ideas.

ssambros 9y ago
Nothing within the current legal framework in most Western countries prohibits you from doing exactly that. Provided of course that such communally owned enterprises will still have to compete with "regular" for-profit companies.
- coldtea 9y ago
  There's the legal framework, though, and there's the actual way a society is structured and who calls the shots. So, while the legal framework can allow it, the big corporations have politicians, media and laws in their pockets, and can make all of this very difficult in a lot of different ways.
  - ssambros 9y ago
    So what might be a solution to the problem that government have so much control that it can make the functioning of the communally-organized enterprise very difficult?
    - coldtea 9y ago
      It's not that "government has so much controls". It's that private interests have so much control through (among other things) government. That said "less government" is another way to let them have even more control.
      - ssambros 9y ago
        Will "more government" somehow provide more control to the regular people over private interests?
        coldtea 9y ago
        No, the key is: enough government + vigilant citizenry. In other words, the key is the people being ahead/in-control of the government, and using it to protect their collective interests.
- Mediterraneo10 9y ago
  > Provided of course that such communally owned enterprises will still have to compete with "regular" for-profit companies. Deleuze & Guattari 1972; 1980 devote abundant space to the fact that the present system is set up to intentionally hinder non-capitalistically organized enterprises from freely competing with capitalistically organized ones.
  - baursak 9y ago
    Are you referring to a Thousand Plateaus?

ssambros 9y ago

Nothing within the current legal framework in most Western countries prohibits you from doing exactly that. Provided of course that such communally owned enterprises will still have to compete with "regular" for-profit companies.

coldtea 9y ago
There's the legal framework, though, and there's the actual way a society is structured and who calls the shots. So, while the legal framework can allow it, the big corporations have politicians, media and laws in their pockets, and can make all of this very difficult in a lot of different ways.
- ssambros 9y ago
  So what might be a solution to the problem that government have so much control that it can make the functioning of the communally-organized enterprise very difficult?
  - coldtea 9y ago
    It's not that "government has so much controls". It's that private interests have so much control through (among other things) government. That said "less government" is another way to let them have even more control.
    - ssambros 9y ago
      Will "more government" somehow provide more control to the regular people over private interests?
      - coldtea 9y ago
        No, the key is: enough government + vigilant citizenry. In other words, the key is the people being ahead/in-control of the government, and using it to protect their collective interests.
Mediterraneo10 9y ago
> Provided of course that such communally owned enterprises will still have to compete with "regular" for-profit companies. Deleuze & Guattari 1972; 1980 devote abundant space to the fact that the present system is set up to intentionally hinder non-capitalistically organized enterprises from freely competing with capitalistically organized ones.
- baursak 9y ago
  Are you referring to a Thousand Plateaus?