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I appreciate your passion. My argument isn't that Google doesn't shut down B2B services. It's that I have seen no evidence that Google does it at a vastly outl

by vgt 9y ago

I appreciate your passion. My argument isn't that Google doesn't shut down B2B services. It's that I have seen no evidence that Google does it at a vastly outlying rate relative to the industry. IANAL, but Both AWS [0] and Azure [1] have 12-month deprecation policies - this is industry standard, as mentioned in the Google Developers blog you link. [0] https://aws.amazon.com/agreement/ https://aws.amazon.com/agreement/ [1] https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/support/legal/subscription-agreement-nov-2014/ https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/support/legal/subscription... (work at G)

phpnode 9y ago
This is one of those occasions where evidence and material facts are irrelevant, what actually matters is how people feel about using Google products. Is the average developer going to feel confident about recommending a Google service to their manager?
jfoster 9y ago
What is the shutdown rate of AWS & Azure that you've calculated, and what is Google Cloud's? If no one actually has these numbers, let's assume the perception didn't come from nowhere.
BinaryIdiot 9y ago
> IANAL, but Both AWS [0] and Azure [1] have 12-month deprecation policies - this is industry standard, as mentioned in the Google Developers blog you link. Something to keep in mind but it's very difficult to find anything AWS has removed. They have APIs / features that have existed since their launch. While they may have such a policy it's essentially unheard of. For Azure I'm not as familiar with but a few Google searches and I also can't find an API they killed. There is a difference between a rate in practice and a rate in policy. I don't have the numbers to know what any of the big cloud provider's rates actually are but as someone who has worked for large companies and organizations one year is simply not long enough for almost any change especially one that is necessary for non-business reasons. Regardless of who's suggesting it.
mdekkers 9y ago
I appreciate your passion. What a shitty way to put down his well supported argument, shame on you. This isn't about his passion - he is refuting your statements with actual facts to the contrary, and you try to make him out like he is passionate about the whole thing (planting the idea that he is somehow not thinking with his head, but with his heart) as opposed to taking a well-supported position against your handwaving that this is somehow all about market perception. Do you work for the marketing department or something? Political slimery. Ugh.

by vgt 9y ago

phpnode 9y ago

This is one of those occasions where evidence and material facts are irrelevant, what actually matters is how people feel about using Google products. Is the average developer going to feel confident about recommending a Google service to their manager?

jfoster 9y ago

What is the shutdown rate of AWS & Azure that you've calculated, and what is Google Cloud's? If no one actually has these numbers, let's assume the perception didn't come from nowhere.

BinaryIdiot 9y ago

> IANAL, but Both AWS [0] and Azure [1] have 12-month deprecation policies - this is industry standard, as mentioned in the Google Developers blog you link. Something to keep in mind but it's very difficult to find anything AWS has removed. They have APIs / features that have existed since their launch. While they may have such a policy it's essentially unheard of. For Azure I'm not as familiar with but a few Google searches and I also can't find an API they killed. There is a difference between a rate in practice and a rate in policy. I don't have the numbers to know what any of the big cloud provider's rates actually are but as someone who has worked for large companies and organizations one year is simply not long enough for almost any change especially one that is necessary for non-business reasons. Regardless of who's suggesting it.

mdekkers 9y ago

I appreciate your passion. What a shitty way to put down his well supported argument, shame on you. This isn't about his passion - he is refuting your statements with actual facts to the contrary, and you try to make him out like he is passionate about the whole thing (planting the idea that he is somehow not thinking with his head, but with his heart) as opposed to taking a well-supported position against your handwaving that this is somehow all about market perception. Do you work for the marketing department or something? Political slimery. Ugh.