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>if there is something you do/don't like. MS listens. Users have been very very vocal about dozens of things that Microsoft refuses to stop. What about all of

by MertsA 9y ago

>if there is something you do/don't like. MS listens. Users have been very very vocal about dozens of things that Microsoft refuses to stop. What about all of the forced upgrades to Windows 10 without consent? For the longest time Microsoft just denied that they were even doing it. Then they just tried to justify it with marketing B.S. about how "Windows 10 is great, so no one should be complaining." Then there's the embedded spyware in Windows 10 that's not able to be removed or disabled. Even just the adware, it should go without saying that no one wanted ads to show up in their OS. This shouldn't be something I should be forced to opt out of, it shouldn't exist in the first place. I shouldn't have to deal with Microsoft installing crap like candy crush on every windows PC on the planet. Microsoft categorically doesn't listen to their users. Can you name a time when Apple or a prominent Linux distro has pulled any of this crap?

YeGoblynQueenne 9y ago
>> Can you name a time when Apple or a prominent Linux distro has pulled any of this crap? Yes, unfortunately. Ubuntu served Amazon ads in the dash search. No idea if they're still there (I use Fedora) but it's not like they had to ask anyone what they thought of it to be well aware that the majority of their users would think that sucks. Apple? Well now- that's the company that continuously tries to force its users to run only the apps it choses, isn't it? Apple sucks as much as MS in the way it treats its users.
- MertsA 9y ago
  Fair point, but at least when Canonical was doing it it was just searching Amazon for something relevant to your query. All of the outrage was that doing this meant that Amazon would get searches for stuff like local file names that presented an information leak. Canonical also proxied these searches so Amazon didn't actually get enough information to tie a search back to a particular user. As for Apple though, I disagree with a lot of their design decisions but Apple hasn't introduced Spyware, Adware, and Malware into any of their products. Their walled garden philosophy is crappy but they aren't doing what Microsoft has been doing.
  - supernovae 9y ago
    Microsoft isn't injecting adware, spyware or malware into the OS either.
    - MertsA 9y ago
      Telemetry can't be completely turned off in Windows 10. It's software that phones home what the user is doing without the user's consent or knowledge of what is being sent home. That's literally the definition of spyware. Windows 10 also bundles advertisements with no way for the user to opt out of them. Windows 10 was also installed on millions of computers without the user's consent. Again, textbook definition of adware. When GWX was being intentionally blocked Microsoft decided to evade that block by ignoring the registry key that used to be able to block it. Microsoft also promised that they wouldn't try to force the upgrade or GWX on domain joined computers, that was a lie. They also said that Windows 10 would be opt in only and that they wouldn't upgrade without consent. They also lied about that, unless you believe Microsoft obtained consent by the user not pressing "no thanks" and ignoring the GWX spam once. Even just the upgrade itself broke more than hundreds of thousands of computers. Sure, you can blame that on drivers or sketchy hardware but the bottom line is that Microsoft still upgraded those computers and caused them to become nonfunctional. Even after the upgrade, Microsoft allowed users to revert back to the previous version of Windows but I've personally seen that fail on three separate occasions. I'm not just using hyperbole here, Microsoft really did do all of that and more with Windows 10. And if you doubt the users who say that it upgraded when they weren't at the computer and that they never consented, there are plenty of cases of isolated machines like HVAC computers that didn't even have a display or input hooked up to them that broke because Windows 10 was installed. How exactly did Microsoft get consent for a computer that had literally zero input devices and no display?
      - supernovae 9y ago
        You're picking edge cases of machines that you can't/couldn't verify and speaking in half truths. Yes, Microsoft had some updates that updated some machines but they fixed that so it wouldn't. Yes, MS mad some silly assumptions to cache the update - that isn't what this is about. THis is about the fact that the HVAC company SHOULD have upgraded. They should have known their outdated/unsupported OS constitutes a security risk and THEY should have corrected it and not assumed to leave it up to users who have/had no clue. Windows 10 "Redstone 2" allows you to disable the supposed "spyware" that isn't really spyware when compared against any other OS out there. There are also easily abundant scripts to completely remove the concept of the store and anything attached to it from ever starting.. luckily you can do that on Windows 10 and pretend being isolated is what matters more than being current.. As for the ads, its supid easy to turn off the notifications. There is this "Notification center" where when you see the Office Notification - just click "don't show notifications for this app" and its gone. And if you see "Recommend apps" in start bar, click click and disable show recommended apps. Both are dumb defaults, we can agree on that, but they're there and they can be removed/disabled. It's not that hard.

by MertsA 9y ago

YeGoblynQueenne 9y ago

>> Can you name a time when Apple or a prominent Linux distro has pulled any of this crap? Yes, unfortunately. Ubuntu served Amazon ads in the dash search. No idea if they're still there (I use Fedora) but it's not like they had to ask anyone what they thought of it to be well aware that the majority of their users would think that sucks. Apple? Well now- that's the company that continuously tries to force its users to run only the apps it choses, isn't it? Apple sucks as much as MS in the way it treats its users.

MertsA 9y ago
Fair point, but at least when Canonical was doing it it was just searching Amazon for something relevant to your query. All of the outrage was that doing this meant that Amazon would get searches for stuff like local file names that presented an information leak. Canonical also proxied these searches so Amazon didn't actually get enough information to tie a search back to a particular user. As for Apple though, I disagree with a lot of their design decisions but Apple hasn't introduced Spyware, Adware, and Malware into any of their products. Their walled garden philosophy is crappy but they aren't doing what Microsoft has been doing.
- supernovae 9y ago
  Microsoft isn't injecting adware, spyware or malware into the OS either.
  - MertsA 9y ago
    Telemetry can't be completely turned off in Windows 10. It's software that phones home what the user is doing without the user's consent or knowledge of what is being sent home. That's literally the definition of spyware. Windows 10 also bundles advertisements with no way for the user to opt out of them. Windows 10 was also installed on millions of computers without the user's consent. Again, textbook definition of adware. When GWX was being intentionally blocked Microsoft decided to evade that block by ignoring the registry key that used to be able to block it. Microsoft also promised that they wouldn't try to force the upgrade or GWX on domain joined computers, that was a lie. They also said that Windows 10 would be opt in only and that they wouldn't upgrade without consent. They also lied about that, unless you believe Microsoft obtained consent by the user not pressing "no thanks" and ignoring the GWX spam once. Even just the upgrade itself broke more than hundreds of thousands of computers. Sure, you can blame that on drivers or sketchy hardware but the bottom line is that Microsoft still upgraded those computers and caused them to become nonfunctional. Even after the upgrade, Microsoft allowed users to revert back to the previous version of Windows but I've personally seen that fail on three separate occasions. I'm not just using hyperbole here, Microsoft really did do all of that and more with Windows 10. And if you doubt the users who say that it upgraded when they weren't at the computer and that they never consented, there are plenty of cases of isolated machines like HVAC computers that didn't even have a display or input hooked up to them that broke because Windows 10 was installed. How exactly did Microsoft get consent for a computer that had literally zero input devices and no display?
    - supernovae 9y ago
      You're picking edge cases of machines that you can't/couldn't verify and speaking in half truths. Yes, Microsoft had some updates that updated some machines but they fixed that so it wouldn't. Yes, MS mad some silly assumptions to cache the update - that isn't what this is about. THis is about the fact that the HVAC company SHOULD have upgraded. They should have known their outdated/unsupported OS constitutes a security risk and THEY should have corrected it and not assumed to leave it up to users who have/had no clue. Windows 10 "Redstone 2" allows you to disable the supposed "spyware" that isn't really spyware when compared against any other OS out there. There are also easily abundant scripts to completely remove the concept of the store and anything attached to it from ever starting.. luckily you can do that on Windows 10 and pretend being isolated is what matters more than being current.. As for the ads, its supid easy to turn off the notifications. There is this "Notification center" where when you see the Office Notification - just click "don't show notifications for this app" and its gone. And if you see "Recommend apps" in start bar, click click and disable show recommended apps. Both are dumb defaults, we can agree on that, but they're there and they can be removed/disabled. It's not that hard.