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Ugh, I know! I hate it when broke people have opinions.

coldtea 9y ago
Obviously my comment was not about not liking broke people having opinions. It was about not liking broke "wannabe startup billionaires" sneering on people with lifestyle businesses as if they somehow "failed".
- Mz 9y ago
  Nonetheless, you are understanding of the sneering of the folks who are rich enough. Sneering is a bad habit no matter your income level. Justifying it for the rich while dismissing it for people who are broke remains an expression of classism, no matter how much you try to clarify your intent.
  - traek 9y ago
    S/he wasn't justifying sneering for the rich, they were saying they understood sneering at lifestyle businesses in the case of people who succeeded at building unicorn startups. It's not about money or class, it's about success in a particular field and judgement of that particular field.
    - Mz 9y ago
      Sure. That's why they specified ...some startup multi-millionaire/billionaire ... Because money is not relevant to their point. /s Also, I hate the term "lifestyle business" because: http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2014/03/i-love-lucy-lifestyle-business-that.html http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2014/03/i-love-lucy-...
      - coldtea 9y ago
        >Sure. That's why they specified ...some startup multi-millionaire/billionaire ... Because money is not relevant to their point. Yes, "sure". My argument was clear enough, and as the parent wrote "it's not about money or class, it's about success in a particular field and judgement of that particular field". What part of either seems difficult to parse? Obviously money is relevant to my point in so much as it serves as the proof of that startup/unicorn success. The idea, and it's bizarro that I have to state it again, is rather that if you're to sneer at somebody for not "making it big" with their business, it only makes sense if you do it while yourself having a bigger business. That's why I wrote millionaire/billionaire, not because I hold millionaires/billionaires in high esteem, or find it OK for them to look down on people. I just find it more logical for a more succesful in business person to sneer at a less succesful in business regarding the latters business success, than the opposite.
        Mz 9y ago
        Money is not the only measure of success. Yet it seems to far too often be the only one cited, whether on HN or elsewhere in the world. Your inability to see that your point is about money and classism while using net worth as THE measure of success worth noting is both frustrating and all too common.
  - coldtea 9y ago
    >Nonetheless, you are understanding of the sneering of the folks who are rich enough Whoosh. Yes, but not because they are rich, but because at least it makes logical sense to look down on someone regarding his business if you actually have a bigger business. OTOH, it doesn't make sense to sneer on someone's business if you only have the idea/dellusion/etc. that you'll make it much bigger than them.

Obviously my comment was not about not liking broke people having opinions. It was about not liking broke "wannabe startup billionaires" sneering on people with lifestyle businesses as if they somehow "failed".

Mz 9y ago
Nonetheless, you are understanding of the sneering of the folks who are rich enough. Sneering is a bad habit no matter your income level. Justifying it for the rich while dismissing it for people who are broke remains an expression of classism, no matter how much you try to clarify your intent.
- traek 9y ago
  S/he wasn't justifying sneering for the rich, they were saying they understood sneering at lifestyle businesses in the case of people who succeeded at building unicorn startups. It's not about money or class, it's about success in a particular field and judgement of that particular field.
  - Mz 9y ago
    Sure. That's why they specified ...some startup multi-millionaire/billionaire ... Because money is not relevant to their point. /s Also, I hate the term "lifestyle business" because: http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2014/03/i-love-lucy-lifestyle-business-that.html http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2014/03/i-love-lucy-...
    - coldtea 9y ago
      >Sure. That's why they specified ...some startup multi-millionaire/billionaire ... Because money is not relevant to their point. Yes, "sure". My argument was clear enough, and as the parent wrote "it's not about money or class, it's about success in a particular field and judgement of that particular field". What part of either seems difficult to parse? Obviously money is relevant to my point in so much as it serves as the proof of that startup/unicorn success. The idea, and it's bizarro that I have to state it again, is rather that if you're to sneer at somebody for not "making it big" with their business, it only makes sense if you do it while yourself having a bigger business. That's why I wrote millionaire/billionaire, not because I hold millionaires/billionaires in high esteem, or find it OK for them to look down on people. I just find it more logical for a more succesful in business person to sneer at a less succesful in business regarding the latters business success, than the opposite.
      - Mz 9y ago
        Money is not the only measure of success. Yet it seems to far too often be the only one cited, whether on HN or elsewhere in the world. Your inability to see that your point is about money and classism while using net worth as THE measure of success worth noting is both frustrating and all too common.
- coldtea 9y ago
  >Nonetheless, you are understanding of the sneering of the folks who are rich enough Whoosh. Yes, but not because they are rich, but because at least it makes logical sense to look down on someone regarding his business if you actually have a bigger business. OTOH, it doesn't make sense to sneer on someone's business if you only have the idea/dellusion/etc. that you'll make it much bigger than them.