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I guess in the same way a farmer might listen to its cattle? A nasty disease or two would get fixed, nice food to keep them fed, but if they're telling the farm

I guess in the same way a farmer might listen to its cattle? A nasty disease or two would get fixed, nice food to keep them fed, but if they're telling the farmers "don't eat me" I can't imagine the farmers would be very receptive. Likewise. Stop spying on me, stop advertising to me, stop pushing products I don't want on me, stop treating my computer like your personal playground. None of this is going to gain traction. All of those are the point. No amount of listening will fix this.

supernovae 9y ago
It is fixed. When you upgrade to RS2 it asks you about the services and you can disable them and you can disable automatic updates. BTW, this isn't unique to MS.. phones update all the time and the concept of the phone is going to change.. soon you will have just one device that does everything. Are people going to complain that MS can't then do what Apple/Google do in regards to spying, updates & patches?
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- jessaustin 9y ago
  ...soon you will have just one device that does everything. That's already true, for people who only have a phone. In the long term, it's completely wrong. Today's "super"-devices will explode into a constantly-changing constellation, as soon as personal networking is ironed out. Future generations will laugh at caricatures of people today, who constantly tend to and obsess on one hunk of plastic to the exclusion of the wider world.
  - supernovae 9y ago
    as the IoT and "constellation" "explodes" we can only HOPE that includes auto-update.
    - jessaustin 9y ago
      Sure, but part of the process of "ironing out" local networks will be an easy way of categorizing what host gets what sort of connection to the internet. A pedometer built into a shoe needs very little access to anything.
      - supernovae 9y ago
        but it will need an update if it has a CVE and it shouldn't need humans to update it
        jessaustin 9y ago
        In general one would say that, but there would be a category of local host that would mean "we don't trust this device to correctly update its firmware, so that action (and consequently most other network actions) is not allowed".
- valuearb 9y ago
  LOL at comparing MSFT to Apple or Google in this regard. Googles whole business model is ad supported, in return you get good free software. Apple actually fights to protect your privacy, when you pay them money for hardware they just try to make it work well for you, not advertiser. And their updates/reboots are optional. MSFT takes your money, then doesnt protect your privacy AND sells you out to advertisers.
  - supernovae 9y ago
    I don't buy this argument. Its fully of fallacies and misconceptions. Microsoft offers a very similar ecosystem.. You can use office online, One drive, bing.com, skype, Cortana, Outlook.com and many services free for use with advertising (or no advertising) MS doesn't "take your money" either, you buy something with Windows 10 on it or you buy a mac with OSX.. iOS updates aren't usually optional, as they quickly spam the crap out of you to upgrade and stop allowing publishers to post apps for the old release ergo "forcing" upgrades. Android has the inverse problem.. handsets never getting upgrade so people flock to versions that do and happily upgrade away.. which is why I don't understand anything you have said. :) oh and MS doesn't sell your privacy data to advertisers..
    - linza 9y ago
      I assume "office online" means Office 365? If yes, how can I use it for free? Last time I checked there was only a free trial [1]. Microsoft does take my money--just because the cost for the OS is hidden in the hardware doesn't mean some fraction of that money isn't going to Microsoft, i.e. in the end I have to pay to use Windows. Windows 10 was not free either as advertised, since it required an older version to upgrade from. Compared to Google's and Apple's offerings, Microsoft's do kinda look shitty. [1] https://products.office.com/en-us/compare-all-microsoft-office-products?tab=1 https://products.office.com/en-us/compare-all-microsoft-offi...
      - supernovae 9y ago
        Every company is out there to make money. This is non sequitur. As far as product comparison, I prefer Office over google docs (And the link you posted is about their commercial offering). office.com offers the online versions of office (web like google docs) and its as feature rich. Also, lets be real.. You can get office 365 for up to 5 pcs for 99 a year and each account you link to it gets the extra benefits such as terabyte of onedrive and such, its not a bad deal at all.

supernovae 9y ago

It is fixed. When you upgrade to RS2 it asks you about the services and you can disable them and you can disable automatic updates. BTW, this isn't unique to MS.. phones update all the time and the concept of the phone is going to change.. soon you will have just one device that does everything. Are people going to complain that MS can't then do what Apple/Google do in regards to spying, updates & patches?

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jessaustin 9y ago
...soon you will have just one device that does everything. That's already true, for people who only have a phone. In the long term, it's completely wrong. Today's "super"-devices will explode into a constantly-changing constellation, as soon as personal networking is ironed out. Future generations will laugh at caricatures of people today, who constantly tend to and obsess on one hunk of plastic to the exclusion of the wider world.
- supernovae 9y ago
  as the IoT and "constellation" "explodes" we can only HOPE that includes auto-update.
  - jessaustin 9y ago
    Sure, but part of the process of "ironing out" local networks will be an easy way of categorizing what host gets what sort of connection to the internet. A pedometer built into a shoe needs very little access to anything.
    - supernovae 9y ago
      but it will need an update if it has a CVE and it shouldn't need humans to update it
      - jessaustin 9y ago
        In general one would say that, but there would be a category of local host that would mean "we don't trust this device to correctly update its firmware, so that action (and consequently most other network actions) is not allowed".
valuearb 9y ago
LOL at comparing MSFT to Apple or Google in this regard. Googles whole business model is ad supported, in return you get good free software. Apple actually fights to protect your privacy, when you pay them money for hardware they just try to make it work well for you, not advertiser. And their updates/reboots are optional. MSFT takes your money, then doesnt protect your privacy AND sells you out to advertisers.
- supernovae 9y ago
  I don't buy this argument. Its fully of fallacies and misconceptions. Microsoft offers a very similar ecosystem.. You can use office online, One drive, bing.com, skype, Cortana, Outlook.com and many services free for use with advertising (or no advertising) MS doesn't "take your money" either, you buy something with Windows 10 on it or you buy a mac with OSX.. iOS updates aren't usually optional, as they quickly spam the crap out of you to upgrade and stop allowing publishers to post apps for the old release ergo "forcing" upgrades. Android has the inverse problem.. handsets never getting upgrade so people flock to versions that do and happily upgrade away.. which is why I don't understand anything you have said. :) oh and MS doesn't sell your privacy data to advertisers..
  - linza 9y ago
    I assume "office online" means Office 365? If yes, how can I use it for free? Last time I checked there was only a free trial [1]. Microsoft does take my money--just because the cost for the OS is hidden in the hardware doesn't mean some fraction of that money isn't going to Microsoft, i.e. in the end I have to pay to use Windows. Windows 10 was not free either as advertised, since it required an older version to upgrade from. Compared to Google's and Apple's offerings, Microsoft's do kinda look shitty. [1] https://products.office.com/en-us/compare-all-microsoft-office-products?tab=1 https://products.office.com/en-us/compare-all-microsoft-offi...
    - supernovae 9y ago
      Every company is out there to make money. This is non sequitur. As far as product comparison, I prefer Office over google docs (And the link you posted is about their commercial offering). office.com offers the online versions of office (web like google docs) and its as feature rich. Also, lets be real.. You can get office 365 for up to 5 pcs for 99 a year and each account you link to it gets the extra benefits such as terabyte of onedrive and such, its not a bad deal at all.