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Couldn't Apple have updated the phone with an iOS that bypasses the verification, then destroy that iOS installer? Then the FBI can access the phone, but they d

Couldn't Apple have updated the phone with an iOS that bypasses the verification, then destroy that iOS installer? Then the FBI can access the phone, but they don't have access to the OS, so they can't use it on other phones?

sigmar 9y ago
>then destroy that iOS installer You can't do that in forensic investigations. Everything that is done to the phone needs to be verifiable to prove evidence wasn't planted. And besides, the FBI was more looking to set a precedent for future investigations than it was concerned about that one phone.
- londons_explore 9y ago
  Apple has designed both server side and client side keystores to now be resistant against "future evil Apple". Basically, even apple the company now can't break into their phones with software updates. The phone requires an erase or user unlock to update. It's scary because now apple can't even fix bugs in certain parts of the system without erasing user data.
ikeboy 9y ago
Every single time iOS is updated on any phone, it requires a new signature from Apple specific to a nonce and that device ID. It wasn't that they needed to build an installer then destroy it, any installer is in fact useless without being signed specifically for that install.
strictnein 9y ago
Yes. This discussion ignores the fact that the FBI stated the work could all be done on Apple premises and that the FBI would never receive the code or software in question. So the two things discussed here don't really have anything to do with each other, but it's not surprising that people are trying to tie them together.
- pas 9y ago
  Do you happen to have a source for that?
  - strictnein 9y ago
    > "For example, the FBI is open to the unlocking happening in Apple premises, so Apple could install the patch, unlock the iPhone, and erase the patch before the iPhone is back in the FBI’s hands" https://www.forbes.com/sites/nelsongranados/2016/02/20/apple-can-should-and-will-help-fbi-unlock-shooters-iphone/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/nelsongranados/2016/02/20/apple... > "As an additional precaution, the government says Apple can design the program to let investigators try different passcodes by submitting them electronically, so that Apple can keep physical control over the iPhone while the special program is deployed." http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-apple-ceo-tim-cook-fbi-iphone-20160222-story.html http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-apple-ceo-tim-cook...

sigmar 9y ago

>then destroy that iOS installer You can't do that in forensic investigations. Everything that is done to the phone needs to be verifiable to prove evidence wasn't planted. And besides, the FBI was more looking to set a precedent for future investigations than it was concerned about that one phone.

londons_explore 9y ago
Apple has designed both server side and client side keystores to now be resistant against "future evil Apple". Basically, even apple the company now can't break into their phones with software updates. The phone requires an erase or user unlock to update. It's scary because now apple can't even fix bugs in certain parts of the system without erasing user data.

ikeboy 9y ago

Every single time iOS is updated on any phone, it requires a new signature from Apple specific to a nonce and that device ID. It wasn't that they needed to build an installer then destroy it, any installer is in fact useless without being signed specifically for that install.

strictnein 9y ago

Yes. This discussion ignores the fact that the FBI stated the work could all be done on Apple premises and that the FBI would never receive the code or software in question. So the two things discussed here don't really have anything to do with each other, but it's not surprising that people are trying to tie them together.

pas 9y ago
Do you happen to have a source for that?
- strictnein 9y ago
  > "For example, the FBI is open to the unlocking happening in Apple premises, so Apple could install the patch, unlock the iPhone, and erase the patch before the iPhone is back in the FBI’s hands" https://www.forbes.com/sites/nelsongranados/2016/02/20/apple-can-should-and-will-help-fbi-unlock-shooters-iphone/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/nelsongranados/2016/02/20/apple... > "As an additional precaution, the government says Apple can design the program to let investigators try different passcodes by submitting them electronically, so that Apple can keep physical control over the iPhone while the special program is deployed." http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-apple-ceo-tim-cook-fbi-iphone-20160222-story.html http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-apple-ceo-tim-cook...