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For those curious as I was: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Gareth_Williams https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Gareth_Williams

poooogles 9y ago
Never knew about the claims around the SVR, at the time it seemed way to convenient to be what the investigation claimed. And SIS/GCHQ wonder why they have such a hard time recruiting staff.
- Ntrails 9y ago
  I'm not sure this has any impact on the ability of the services to recruit staff, compared to things like compensation, or having to fill in "permission to socialise" forms... I don't think anyone much thought it was anything but an extremely suspicious death. In many ways matching almost too perfectly the imaginary world of Spies we like to watch/read about.
sillysaurus3 9y ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/6990kh/til_in_2010_an_mi6_spy_was_found_dead_his_naked/dh4r4vo/ https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/6990kh/til_i... -- It's definitely weird, but there's a reason (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/apr/25/mi6-gareth-williams-bed https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/apr/25/mi6-gareth-wil...) that they considered this as a real possibility: > But his former landlady, Jennifer Elliot, told the inquest that three years before his death, she and her husband had heard Williams call for help at 1.30am from the annex flat he was renting from them in Cheltenham, where he worked at GCHQ. > They let themselves in with the spare key and found the codes expert lying on his back on the bed, in boxer shorts, with his hands tied to the bed posts with material so tight it had cut his wrists. > In a statement read to the inquest, Elliot said she and her husband had both been in shock. Her husband asked Williams: "What the bloody hell are you doing?" Williams told them: "I just wanted to see if could get myself free." > The statement added that he did not appear sexually aroused, and was "very embarrassed, panicky and apologetic." > The couple, who never spoke to anyone about the incident, said they concluded it was "sexual rather than escapology".
- StavrosK 9y ago
  How do you tie yourself so tightly that it cuts your wrists?
  - DanBC 9y ago
    Use zip ties and tighten them with your teeth Tie one hand very tight. Use a loop of rope for the other wrist, and loop it round the wrist too many times squeezing the hand though. Use unsuitable rope Use ratchet handcuffs and over tighten.
rdrey 9y ago
If you're still curious, this has been turned into a BBC mini-series called "London Spy". See: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/12/london-spy-real-life-murder-gareth-williams https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/12/london...

poooogles 9y ago

Never knew about the claims around the SVR, at the time it seemed way to convenient to be what the investigation claimed. And SIS/GCHQ wonder why they have such a hard time recruiting staff.

Ntrails 9y ago
I'm not sure this has any impact on the ability of the services to recruit staff, compared to things like compensation, or having to fill in "permission to socialise" forms... I don't think anyone much thought it was anything but an extremely suspicious death. In many ways matching almost too perfectly the imaginary world of Spies we like to watch/read about.

sillysaurus3 9y ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/6990kh/til_in_2010_an_mi6_spy_was_found_dead_his_naked/dh4r4vo/ https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/6990kh/til_i... -- It's definitely weird, but there's a reason (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/apr/25/mi6-gareth-williams-bed https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/apr/25/mi6-gareth-wil...) that they considered this as a real possibility: > But his former landlady, Jennifer Elliot, told the inquest that three years before his death, she and her husband had heard Williams call for help at 1.30am from the annex flat he was renting from them in Cheltenham, where he worked at GCHQ. > They let themselves in with the spare key and found the codes expert lying on his back on the bed, in boxer shorts, with his hands tied to the bed posts with material so tight it had cut his wrists. > In a statement read to the inquest, Elliot said she and her husband had both been in shock. Her husband asked Williams: "What the bloody hell are you doing?" Williams told them: "I just wanted to see if could get myself free." > The statement added that he did not appear sexually aroused, and was "very embarrassed, panicky and apologetic." > The couple, who never spoke to anyone about the incident, said they concluded it was "sexual rather than escapology".

StavrosK 9y ago
How do you tie yourself so tightly that it cuts your wrists?
- DanBC 9y ago
  Use zip ties and tighten them with your teeth Tie one hand very tight. Use a loop of rope for the other wrist, and loop it round the wrist too many times squeezing the hand though. Use unsuitable rope Use ratchet handcuffs and over tighten.

rdrey 9y ago

If you're still curious, this has been turned into a BBC mini-series called "London Spy". See: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/12/london-spy-real-life-murder-gareth-williams https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/12/london...