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Some people run complex simulations that take days or weeks to run, and a forced reboot in the middle ruins progress. If someone needs to skip an update on thei

Some people run complex simulations that take days or weeks to run, and a forced reboot in the middle ruins progress. If someone needs to skip an update on their own machine and their own network that is their right.

setq 9y ago
This is an edge case for a very small percentage of users. Use GPMC to turn it off entirely or change the key at: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UX\Settings Set DWORD IsActiveHoursEnabled to 0.
- cartoonfoxes 9y ago
  I have no idea why this scenario gets talked about so little. It is an edge case, but its a huge edge-case. There are entire ecosystems of Windows-only software where running batch operations overnight are a daily fact of life. I'm nearly resigned to the fact that I may have to segregate engineering workstations to their own network and whitelist their traffic. IsActiveHoursEnabled is ignored.
  - UK-AL 9y ago
    I would assume the large majority of windows users doing batch stuff over night are businesses. At that point you should probably be using windows server + wsus. Which give you a lot more control over updates.
    - setq 9y ago
      I agree with the person above your comment. For example some simulation loads are common to run on deskside systems. However this IS definitely an edge case and it is possible to turn it off. I have run a physical host as a build agent that has uptime of months on Windows 10. This is administrative competence, not a problem with the product or the use case. WSUS + Windows server is definitely fine for most workloads though.
      - cartoonfoxes 9y ago
        > and it is possible to turn it off I have this dreadful feeling that Microsoft is A/B testing this stuff, making sure that there is just enough inconsistency between sites to sow doubt and confusion.
    - rhodysurf 9y ago
      Our company has a dc but not that kind of control over child computers and it would be a large overhaul (and out of my control) to change the whole network setup. I wish we used wsus though. M
      - setq 9y ago
        You can attach a GPO to the OU that the machines are in and turn it off for everyone.
    - bigbugbag 9y ago
      So what about the small majority ? Do they get a "sorry not sorry, f*ck you" card ? You should assume that windows users doing batch stuff over night are people who have better things to do with their computers during their day or want their computer to work for them while they're not sitting in front of it. Try considering the whole instead of splitting to only address the large majority.
      - UK-AL 9y ago
        If software worked every convincible use case, it would become impossible to use from UI perspective. Windows 10 is focused as a consumer os, designed for users to run their applications. Similar to iOS or android. If you want to run batch operations, use the right product.
        cartoonfoxes 9y ago
        > If you want to run batch operations, use the right product. Sorry, but this does come across as a bit asinine. What's the right product for running software written for Microsoft Windows, if not Microsoft Windows? "Users running their applications" isn't just Grandma on Facebook, or your little sister playing Candy Crush Saga. Microsoft's unquestionable strength has been it's support for enterprise, small-business and professional desktop users. There is a lot of deserved anger thrown their way as a result of deliberate decisions to force flexibility and choice-limiting behavior down the throat of their core market. My shop is small, but I can count COMSOL, SolidWorks, OrCAD, LabVIEW, various SPICE frontends, and a dozen other small odds and ends for instrument control and data capture without even leaving the engineering suite. All of which are going to be forever stuck on Win 7, at this rate.
        UK-AL 9y ago
        Most of those are products that are not expected run over night in batching mode. You may get the need to have things to run overnight using engineering, simulation, rendering products with some sort of long running process. But these normally have server component that you install onto Windows Server, which the client offloads to.
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ZoFreX 9y ago
> If someone needs to skip an update on their own machine and their own network that is their right. And if you want your machine to DDoS Playstation Network that's your right too, right? And if I want my kid to get measles and spread it around, that's my right? As much as you may argue it's your machine, and your right, sooner or later your choices start to impact other people. What about their rights, then?
- rhodysurf 9y ago
  I'm not saying never update, I'm saying let me update (manually) when I am not in the middle of using my computer for work (which may be a week or two at a time). The OS should get out of the way, not ruin what I'm working on.
  - ZoFreX 9y ago
    True, I was a little unfair on you :) Still, I see the software you're using as much a part of the problem as Windows here. Needing weeks of solid up-time to complete something is a challenge and doesn't seem like a realistic assumption by a developer for software running on Windows. Why can't it remember progress and resume after a restart? That would not only make the impact of Windows Updates much smaller, but also power outages and the like.
    - rhodysurf 9y ago
      Its in house CFD software and the saved state feature has been broken and at the bottom of people's priority for a while unfortunately. Definitely gunna use this as an opportunity to resume that conversation though
- bigbugbag 9y ago
  What is your point ? That microsoft should be better at security in the first place ? That Sony should refrain from playing stupid games to prevent winning stupid prizes ? That computer vulnerabilities are a contagious disease ? Man you're in for an amazing time when you will learn about that stupidity called the Internet of Things.

setq 9y ago

This is an edge case for a very small percentage of users. Use GPMC to turn it off entirely or change the key at: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UX\Settings Set DWORD IsActiveHoursEnabled to 0.

cartoonfoxes 9y ago
I have no idea why this scenario gets talked about so little. It is an edge case, but its a huge edge-case. There are entire ecosystems of Windows-only software where running batch operations overnight are a daily fact of life. I'm nearly resigned to the fact that I may have to segregate engineering workstations to their own network and whitelist their traffic. IsActiveHoursEnabled is ignored.
- UK-AL 9y ago
  I would assume the large majority of windows users doing batch stuff over night are businesses. At that point you should probably be using windows server + wsus. Which give you a lot more control over updates.
  - setq 9y ago
    I agree with the person above your comment. For example some simulation loads are common to run on deskside systems. However this IS definitely an edge case and it is possible to turn it off. I have run a physical host as a build agent that has uptime of months on Windows 10. This is administrative competence, not a problem with the product or the use case. WSUS + Windows server is definitely fine for most workloads though.
    - cartoonfoxes 9y ago
      > and it is possible to turn it off I have this dreadful feeling that Microsoft is A/B testing this stuff, making sure that there is just enough inconsistency between sites to sow doubt and confusion.
  - rhodysurf 9y ago
    Our company has a dc but not that kind of control over child computers and it would be a large overhaul (and out of my control) to change the whole network setup. I wish we used wsus though. M
    - setq 9y ago
      You can attach a GPO to the OU that the machines are in and turn it off for everyone.
  - bigbugbag 9y ago
    So what about the small majority ? Do they get a "sorry not sorry, f*ck you" card ? You should assume that windows users doing batch stuff over night are people who have better things to do with their computers during their day or want their computer to work for them while they're not sitting in front of it. Try considering the whole instead of splitting to only address the large majority.
    - UK-AL 9y ago
      If software worked every convincible use case, it would become impossible to use from UI perspective. Windows 10 is focused as a consumer os, designed for users to run their applications. Similar to iOS or android. If you want to run batch operations, use the right product.
      - cartoonfoxes 9y ago
        > If you want to run batch operations, use the right product. Sorry, but this does come across as a bit asinine. What's the right product for running software written for Microsoft Windows, if not Microsoft Windows? "Users running their applications" isn't just Grandma on Facebook, or your little sister playing Candy Crush Saga. Microsoft's unquestionable strength has been it's support for enterprise, small-business and professional desktop users. There is a lot of deserved anger thrown their way as a result of deliberate decisions to force flexibility and choice-limiting behavior down the throat of their core market. My shop is small, but I can count COMSOL, SolidWorks, OrCAD, LabVIEW, various SPICE frontends, and a dozen other small odds and ends for instrument control and data capture without even leaving the engineering suite. All of which are going to be forever stuck on Win 7, at this rate.
        UK-AL 9y ago
        Most of those are products that are not expected run over night in batching mode. You may get the need to have things to run overnight using engineering, simulation, rendering products with some sort of long running process. But these normally have server component that you install onto Windows Server, which the client offloads to.

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ZoFreX 9y ago

> If someone needs to skip an update on their own machine and their own network that is their right. And if you want your machine to DDoS Playstation Network that's your right too, right? And if I want my kid to get measles and spread it around, that's my right? As much as you may argue it's your machine, and your right, sooner or later your choices start to impact other people. What about their rights, then?

rhodysurf 9y ago
I'm not saying never update, I'm saying let me update (manually) when I am not in the middle of using my computer for work (which may be a week or two at a time). The OS should get out of the way, not ruin what I'm working on.
- ZoFreX 9y ago
  True, I was a little unfair on you :) Still, I see the software you're using as much a part of the problem as Windows here. Needing weeks of solid up-time to complete something is a challenge and doesn't seem like a realistic assumption by a developer for software running on Windows. Why can't it remember progress and resume after a restart? That would not only make the impact of Windows Updates much smaller, but also power outages and the like.
  - rhodysurf 9y ago
    Its in house CFD software and the saved state feature has been broken and at the bottom of people's priority for a while unfortunately. Definitely gunna use this as an opportunity to resume that conversation though
bigbugbag 9y ago
What is your point ? That microsoft should be better at security in the first place ? That Sony should refrain from playing stupid games to prevent winning stupid prizes ? That computer vulnerabilities are a contagious disease ? Man you're in for an amazing time when you will learn about that stupidity called the Internet of Things.