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A friend of mine is in the same situation you describe. She teaches for a fairly well known for-profit online school, and is in a position where she has to ign

by dlytle 16y ago

A friend of mine is in the same situation you describe. She teaches for a fairly well known for-profit online school, and is in a position where she has to ignore plagiarism or lose her job. A huge percentage of her students turn in plagiarized papers; so many that, if she were to follow the school's guidelines on them all, would result in 1/2 to 3/4 of her students failing. The teacher's pass/fail percentage is one of the criteria used to determine whether a teacher gets any more classes, and does not take into account students failed for plagiarism. So, if she were to fail those students, she would not get any more classes to teach, thus she'd be out of a job. She's forced to keep track of who she's failed what paper for, to spread the bad grades across as many of the plagiarizers as possible, to cut down on the number that outright fail (and thus impact her). She has gotten absolutely no support from her superiors about this issue. However, another teacher I know at the same school has a slightly milder version of the same problem, but her superiors are more supportive of her, meaning she's not always worried about her position. It's pretty fucked up, and kind of depressing.

derefr 16y ago
> The teacher's pass/fail percentage is one of the criteria used to determine whether a teacher gets any more classes, and does not take into account students failed for plagiarism. That is fucked up; all the schools I've ever attended require expulsion, not failure, for proven cases of plagarism. Expelled students are basically immediately expunged from the records of any classes they were enrolled in at the time, as if they had never registered for them.
- jerf 16y ago
  Did you ever see this policy actually trigger, though? Hard to tell since they may not have made it public, but as other people are saying, if that was taken seriously you'd see an awful lot of expulsions. I can't speak for all of Michigan State University, where I got my degrees, but the computer science departments took it pretty seriously. One 101 course got roughly 1/3rd of the people in it failed one semester for copying. All homework assignments went through a turn-in system that examined the programs for plagiarism; details were sketchy for obvious reasons, but I had heard that a simple variable rename would not get past it. (Home-grown and based on what I heard, I believe it existed and worked roughly as described, since I could now write such a tool myself if I had need.)

by dlytle 16y ago

derefr 16y ago

> The teacher's pass/fail percentage is one of the criteria used to determine whether a teacher gets any more classes, and does not take into account students failed for plagiarism. That is fucked up; all the schools I've ever attended require expulsion, not failure, for proven cases of plagarism. Expelled students are basically immediately expunged from the records of any classes they were enrolled in at the time, as if they had never registered for them.

jerf 16y ago
Did you ever see this policy actually trigger, though? Hard to tell since they may not have made it public, but as other people are saying, if that was taken seriously you'd see an awful lot of expulsions. I can't speak for all of Michigan State University, where I got my degrees, but the computer science departments took it pretty seriously. One 101 course got roughly 1/3rd of the people in it failed one semester for copying. All homework assignments went through a turn-in system that examined the programs for plagiarism; details were sketchy for obvious reasons, but I had heard that a simple variable rename would not get past it. (Home-grown and based on what I heard, I believe it existed and worked roughly as described, since I could now write such a tool myself if I had need.)