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Why not use owner's home network?

by tehlike 9y ago

remus 9y ago
The logs might be pretty big, so it might have a significant impact on people on metered internet connections.
- drcross 9y ago
  Not if it's only greyscale camera data and some point cloud data which is heavily compressible.
  - nolok 9y ago
    But then you're back to square one : that data is much less detailed than what waymo gets.
    - drcross 9y ago
      Machine vision is usually an exercise in data reduction. Greyscale is typically used in most computer vision applications, so it may be the case that Waymo has more information but that is not necessarily of any benefit.
  - rileyphone 9y ago
    The video has constant motion though, which makes compression much less effective.
taneq 9y ago
Do owners generally connect their cars to their home wifi? (I don't know, is this a thing with Teslas?) Even if so, uploading gigabytes of data every day is going to be noticed. While I'm sure they have the legal right to do so (via their TOS / EULA) they probably still don't want to emphasize that they're gathering that much data (unless you opt in to their fleet learning stuff).
- drcross 9y ago
  >Do owners generally connect their cars to their home wifi? Generally I think they do to access the Tesla App features. Tesla also have a network connection so they may already be uploading the information anyway over cell networks.
- cubano 9y ago
  Tesla's don't connect to LTE networks by default? If not, I find it shortsighted and rather cheap that each car doesn't have it's own $50/month data plan (or whatever) to phone home important data.
  - SallySwanSmith 9y ago
    At 80k new cars a year that's a 4mil a month waste of money. Tesla couldn't survive giving each car a 50/mo data plan forever.
    - cubano 9y ago
      Waste of money? To have a constant high speed IoT-like connection to the web for real-time updating and such? I am sure some sort of volume discounts could be negotiated as well.
  - greglindahl 9y ago
    Teslas do connect to LTE. Why would they pay that much for a data plan? In the US, you can get mobile hotspot plans for $3/month + $10/gbyte. That's the consumer price; wholesale over 100s of thousands of cars has got to be cheaper.
ehsankia 9y ago
I definitely wouldn't be happy about Tesla uploading gigabytes of data on my metered connection. Even if it was unmetered, most people don't have very fast up-speeds and that could take days to upload and heavily impact their speeds. Absolutely unacceptable.
- tehlike 9y ago
  What if they had agreement with xfinity/comcast, which opens up a separate wifi hotspot anyway?

Why not use owner's home network?

remus 9y ago

The logs might be pretty big, so it might have a significant impact on people on metered internet connections.

drcross 9y ago
Not if it's only greyscale camera data and some point cloud data which is heavily compressible.
- nolok 9y ago
  But then you're back to square one : that data is much less detailed than what waymo gets.
  - drcross 9y ago
    Machine vision is usually an exercise in data reduction. Greyscale is typically used in most computer vision applications, so it may be the case that Waymo has more information but that is not necessarily of any benefit.
- rileyphone 9y ago
  The video has constant motion though, which makes compression much less effective.

taneq 9y ago

Do owners generally connect their cars to their home wifi? (I don't know, is this a thing with Teslas?) Even if so, uploading gigabytes of data every day is going to be noticed. While I'm sure they have the legal right to do so (via their TOS / EULA) they probably still don't want to emphasize that they're gathering that much data (unless you opt in to their fleet learning stuff).

drcross 9y ago
>Do owners generally connect their cars to their home wifi? Generally I think they do to access the Tesla App features. Tesla also have a network connection so they may already be uploading the information anyway over cell networks.
cubano 9y ago
Tesla's don't connect to LTE networks by default? If not, I find it shortsighted and rather cheap that each car doesn't have it's own $50/month data plan (or whatever) to phone home important data.
- SallySwanSmith 9y ago
  At 80k new cars a year that's a 4mil a month waste of money. Tesla couldn't survive giving each car a 50/mo data plan forever.
  - cubano 9y ago
    Waste of money? To have a constant high speed IoT-like connection to the web for real-time updating and such? I am sure some sort of volume discounts could be negotiated as well.
- greglindahl 9y ago
  Teslas do connect to LTE. Why would they pay that much for a data plan? In the US, you can get mobile hotspot plans for $3/month + $10/gbyte. That's the consumer price; wholesale over 100s of thousands of cars has got to be cheaper.

ehsankia 9y ago

I definitely wouldn't be happy about Tesla uploading gigabytes of data on my metered connection. Even if it was unmetered, most people don't have very fast up-speeds and that could take days to upload and heavily impact their speeds. Absolutely unacceptable.

tehlike 9y ago
What if they had agreement with xfinity/comcast, which opens up a separate wifi hotspot anyway?