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how much do you think it would cost Microsoft to support XP forever?

by ouid 9y ago

nevir 9y ago
There's a big argument for only releasing evergreen style software, and giving the middle finger to IT orgs that want more control
- goatherders 9y ago
  This. There are lots of groups to blame, but corporate IT departments are high on the list.
- Consultant32452 9y ago
  What does "evergreen style software" mean? A quick search didn't return an obvious answer.
  - Sammi 9y ago
    Software that continually updates itself automatically. It's what Chrome popularized.
    - ascagnel_ 9y ago
      I think MS wanted this in Win10 (hence the big push on the consumer side by giving it away for free). The problem is that plenty of people, even people who should know better, don't want to upgrade something they think is "working well" for an advantage they can't see.
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threeseed 9y ago
Allowing XP to exist forever is not a good thing for security either. There are security architectures in place within Windows 10 for example that do significantly improve security. At some point companies need to cough up the money and upgrade their technology.
- ouid 9y ago
  Is there some philosophical principle under which you believe that companies must "cough up money" for services that they have already ostensibly paid for? That sounds remarkably like extortion. If Windows XP is proven to be untenably insecure, anyone who bought it should receive a refund.
  - mikekchar 9y ago
    Assuming we class XP as a defective product, at what point do we stop requiring recalls? If there is a safety defect in a 2001 model car, will it be required to have a recall? Given that MS even made a patch (which is generally equivalent to a recall), I'm not sure that your suggestion will be given that much credence. I mean, if we say that XP is an unsafe product, the government could stop them from selling it and to remove it from the shelves, but MS stopped selling the product in 2008 (nearly 10 years ago) and has repeated urged its customers to stop using it because it is insecure. This is all that the government generally requires in this situation as far as I can tell. Edit: grammar
  - retox 9y ago
    I think the discovery of new types of exploits could be considered akin to wear-and-tear of physical things you buy. At the point of sale the software was safe, but over time problems were discovered. When you buy a house you have a whole battery of inspections performed to make sure that you're buying somewhere safe, but over time the small things that got overlooked (like a small crack in a roof joint) or were considered safe at the point of sale become worn, or are discovered to be unsafe (locks susceptible to bumplocking for instance). It's a tenuous analogy to be sure, but I don't think it's reasonable to think that Microsoft should refund people who bought XP. Are there any Linux distributions that back port all fixes to version 0.1?
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lysp 9y ago
Microsoft still are supporting XP. Just not for the the general public. Organisations with high value software that relies on XP still receive ongoing support from Microsoft (such as the US Navy and anyone else who wants to pay big bucks for it). The difference is none of these patches usually make it to the public. For Microsoft to patch this current issue, there would have already been a pre-existing team working on XP patches, the only difference is this one was released publicly due to it's impact. http://bgr.com/2015/06/24/windows-xp-support-us-navy-millions/ http://bgr.com/2015/06/24/windows-xp-support-us-navy-million...

how much do you think it would cost Microsoft to support XP forever?

by ouid 9y ago

how much do you think it would cost Microsoft to support XP forever?

There's a big argument for only releasing evergreen style software, and giving the middle finger to IT orgs that want more control

goatherders 9y ago
This. There are lots of groups to blame, but corporate IT departments are high on the list.
Consultant32452 9y ago
What does "evergreen style software" mean? A quick search didn't return an obvious answer.
- Sammi 9y ago
  Software that continually updates itself automatically. It's what Chrome popularized.
  - ascagnel_ 9y ago
    I think MS wanted this in Win10 (hence the big push on the consumer side by giving it away for free). The problem is that plenty of people, even people who should know better, don't want to upgrade something they think is "working well" for an advantage they can't see.
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threeseed 9y ago

Allowing XP to exist forever is not a good thing for security either. There are security architectures in place within Windows 10 for example that do significantly improve security. At some point companies need to cough up the money and upgrade their technology.

ouid 9y ago
Is there some philosophical principle under which you believe that companies must "cough up money" for services that they have already ostensibly paid for? That sounds remarkably like extortion. If Windows XP is proven to be untenably insecure, anyone who bought it should receive a refund.
- mikekchar 9y ago
  Assuming we class XP as a defective product, at what point do we stop requiring recalls? If there is a safety defect in a 2001 model car, will it be required to have a recall? Given that MS even made a patch (which is generally equivalent to a recall), I'm not sure that your suggestion will be given that much credence. I mean, if we say that XP is an unsafe product, the government could stop them from selling it and to remove it from the shelves, but MS stopped selling the product in 2008 (nearly 10 years ago) and has repeated urged its customers to stop using it because it is insecure. This is all that the government generally requires in this situation as far as I can tell. Edit: grammar
- retox 9y ago
  I think the discovery of new types of exploits could be considered akin to wear-and-tear of physical things you buy. At the point of sale the software was safe, but over time problems were discovered. When you buy a house you have a whole battery of inspections performed to make sure that you're buying somewhere safe, but over time the small things that got overlooked (like a small crack in a roof joint) or were considered safe at the point of sale become worn, or are discovered to be unsafe (locks susceptible to bumplocking for instance). It's a tenuous analogy to be sure, but I don't think it's reasonable to think that Microsoft should refund people who bought XP. Are there any Linux distributions that back port all fixes to version 0.1?

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lysp 9y ago

Microsoft still are supporting XP. Just not for the the general public. Organisations with high value software that relies on XP still receive ongoing support from Microsoft (such as the US Navy and anyone else who wants to pay big bucks for it). The difference is none of these patches usually make it to the public. For Microsoft to patch this current issue, there would have already been a pre-existing team working on XP patches, the only difference is this one was released publicly due to it's impact. http://bgr.com/2015/06/24/windows-xp-support-us-navy-millions/ http://bgr.com/2015/06/24/windows-xp-support-us-navy-million...