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> misogyny and antifeminism What's wrong with anti-feminism? Also, misogyny is one of those catch-alls that's being abused to mean: "Does not complement women

by monksy 9y ago

> misogyny and antifeminism What's wrong with anti-feminism? Also, misogyny is one of those catch-alls that's being abused to mean: "Does not complement women" as of late.

throwaway18917 9y ago
Found the MRA.
- legostormtroopr 9y ago
  Not an argument. Feminism is an ideology and like any other has its good points and bad. You can believe in equality and not have to identify as a feminist.
  - throwaway18917 9y ago
    Oh of course. Wouldn't want to be associated with feminism. But hey, you can still be a feminist, just don't call it that, right? Becauase just like men's deodorant and shaving cream, we have to have our OWN version of feminism, free from all of those WOMEN. Wouldn't want to be associated with women or have to navigate a space that isn't ours. Nope. (Hint: this is sarcasm and feminism isn't primarily about men.)
    - spearmint 9y ago
      Please stop strawmanning, and try not to sound so bitter.
    - legostormtroopr 9y ago
      So if "feminism isn't primarily about men" then why would (and even how could) I be a part of it?
  - Mz 9y ago
    You can also believe in a better world than the one we currently have, not call yourself a feminist and also not believe "equality" is the standard we should be caring about. (In case it actually needs to be said again: I happen to be female.)
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vacri 9y ago
> complement Typo? Hard to tell.
dang 9y ago
Please don't post like this. The unsubstantive+ragey combo forms an inflection point at which threads go from bad to much worse. When a discussion turns into "yay label" vs. "boo label", there's no information left in it, and flamewars are the only thing left to do. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14337198 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14337198 and marked it off-topic.
- monksy 9y ago
  I disagree with your view of what I posted. (it was not done with a unsubstantive+ragey stance) What I posted was a disagreement with the exaggeration of the alternative point of view they had. (Any article that doesn't agree with the popular ultra liberal women's positive view is "salted by mens rights [insert derogative terms etc]") Being anti-feminist is not a bad thing. It is a conversation that could be had (is it good, is it bad, etc), the topic of the original poster leads to a conversatoin about this. My concern with Hacker News is that it claims to be technology focused, and founder focus. However articles dealing with gender issues, like this, get promoted and kept up. I completely respect and understand your stance that those topics tend to go badly.

by monksy 9y ago

> misogyny and antifeminism What's wrong with anti-feminism? Also, misogyny is one of those catch-alls that's being abused to mean: "Does not complement women" as of late.

throwaway18917 9y ago

Found the MRA.

legostormtroopr 9y ago
Not an argument. Feminism is an ideology and like any other has its good points and bad. You can believe in equality and not have to identify as a feminist.
- throwaway18917 9y ago
  Oh of course. Wouldn't want to be associated with feminism. But hey, you can still be a feminist, just don't call it that, right? Becauase just like men's deodorant and shaving cream, we have to have our OWN version of feminism, free from all of those WOMEN. Wouldn't want to be associated with women or have to navigate a space that isn't ours. Nope. (Hint: this is sarcasm and feminism isn't primarily about men.)
  - spearmint 9y ago
    Please stop strawmanning, and try not to sound so bitter.
  - legostormtroopr 9y ago
    So if "feminism isn't primarily about men" then why would (and even how could) I be a part of it?
- Mz 9y ago
  You can also believe in a better world than the one we currently have, not call yourself a feminist and also not believe "equality" is the standard we should be caring about. (In case it actually needs to be said again: I happen to be female.)

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vacri 9y ago

> complement Typo? Hard to tell.

dang 9y ago

Please don't post like this. The unsubstantive+ragey combo forms an inflection point at which threads go from bad to much worse. When a discussion turns into "yay label" vs. "boo label", there's no information left in it, and flamewars are the only thing left to do. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14337198 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14337198 and marked it off-topic.

monksy 9y ago
I disagree with your view of what I posted. (it was not done with a unsubstantive+ragey stance) What I posted was a disagreement with the exaggeration of the alternative point of view they had. (Any article that doesn't agree with the popular ultra liberal women's positive view is "salted by mens rights [insert derogative terms etc]") Being anti-feminist is not a bad thing. It is a conversation that could be had (is it good, is it bad, etc), the topic of the original poster leads to a conversatoin about this. My concern with Hacker News is that it claims to be technology focused, and founder focus. However articles dealing with gender issues, like this, get promoted and kept up. I completely respect and understand your stance that those topics tend to go badly.