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The privilege they are talking about is not some kind of explicit handout. It is a cultural background. It manifests as other people's exceptions, preconception

by Retra 9y ago

The privilege they are talking about is not some kind of explicit handout. It is a cultural background. It manifests as other people's exceptions, preconceptions, and even things like word choice and shared conceptual familiarities. For instance, if you've ever seriously considered starting a business, then you're probably privileged. Because for someone like me, it is simply not a consideration. I don't know anyone who cares about business, let alone owns one. Never had any friends who know anything about business. I have no business vocabulary, and I have desire to acquire one. My concept of self-worth is more anti-business than it is business-driven. So I'm never going to start a business. Does this mean I've not finished school? No. Didn't go to business school though. Does this mean I'm not hard-working? No. Don't work hard to make money though. Etc. Now if my father had been a businessman, or If I'd grown up in a place where people cared about business, I might know a thing or two about how to do it. That background of experience is the privilege they are talking about. I am privileged in that I understand machines, art, language, and education. Those privileges have directly and indirectly resulted in almost every success I've ever had. I am a white professional man. Now you know one. And you probably know many others, if you'd come at this discussion from a position of understanding rather than from a position of defiance. >What would feminists know about a non-feminist man's perspective on marriage and fatherhood? What would someone who doesn't even seem to understand the concept of cultural privilege have to add to a discussion about cultural privilege?

camperman 9y ago
> I am privileged in that I understand machines, art, language, and education. Those privileges have directly and indirectly resulted in almost every success I've ever had. I am a white professional man. That's amazing. You understand machines, art, language and education and no work was required to gain this understanding? It was just given to you? Or was there a few thousand hours of study and practice involved? Some stability in the home life? Encouragement from parents? All of the above? > Now you know one. And you probably know many others, if you'd come at this discussion from a position of understanding rather than from a position of defiance. My defiance is because the author has quoted only feminists and cucked men. It's biased and needs to be called out. > What would someone who doesn't even seem to understand the concept of cultural privilege have to add to a discussion about cultural privilege? I am well aware of the cultural superiority of western civilization. Nothing else even comes close. But I'm certainly not going to be guilt-tripped about it by some Rothschild publication.
- sctb 9y ago
  Have we not asked you before and again to post civilly and substantively? We ban accounts that won't do this.
  - camperman 9y ago
    Huh? If you could point out the uncivil bits, that would be helpful.
    - greglindahl 9y ago
      If you think calling some men "cucked" is civil, then maybe you're mostly hanging out in the wrong part of the Internets?
      - camperman 9y ago
        You're right - I should have used cuckolded.
monksy 9y ago
> if you've ever seriously considered starting a business, then you're probably privileged. I under that definition: We can consider a huge percentage of minorities to be privileged. Business popups where there are needs.
micahbright 9y ago
>>What would feminists know about a non-feminist man's perspective on marriage and fatherhood? >What would someone who doesn't even seem to understand the concept of cultural privilege have to add to a discussion about cultural privilege? I think what we seem to keep pointing out is that: the idea of cultural privilege is bullshit. It hasn't been proven. It doesn't exist. They won't even give us a solid definition that we could apply a scientific method. Therefore, any knowledge of the subject is moot. And, you ought to realize that the fact that you sit around thinking of ways to describe the chip on your shoulder is what's keeping you from this "privilege", not that someone has a wealth of opportunities that you do not.
- vacri 9y ago
  There's been a few studies where identical resumes have been sent out with "white-sounding" and "non-white-sounding" names, with the white names getting more follow-up. > They won't even give us a solid definition that we could apply a scientific method. Therefore, any knowledge of the subject is moot. Geez, don't ever ask about a bus route in a new town. The person isn't going to be able to do a blind trial with a null hypothesis in order to tell you that the route 5 goes downtown, so you can't trust them. Seriously though, you're talking nonsense. Cultural privilege has been shown time and time again. Hell, the whole 'colonialism' episode in global history revolved around the idea.
  - glenra 9y ago
    > There's been a few studies where identical resumes have been sent out with "white-sounding" and "non-white-sounding" names, with the white names getting more follow-up. IIRC, that study finding didn't survive the replication crisis - the most recent resume studies didn't find bias against "non-white-sounding" names. An optimistic interpretation of the discrepancy is that the earlier studies had picked low-class "black-sounding" names. It's hard to do this kind of study cleanly since names don't merely signify race, they also signify other things like socioeconomic status and age so to do it right you'd need to carefully validate that the specific names used don't differ in implications other than race; I don't think that has really been done yet. (more here: http://datacolada.org/51 http://datacolada.org/51 )

by Retra 9y ago

camperman 9y ago

> I am privileged in that I understand machines, art, language, and education. Those privileges have directly and indirectly resulted in almost every success I've ever had. I am a white professional man. That's amazing. You understand machines, art, language and education and no work was required to gain this understanding? It was just given to you? Or was there a few thousand hours of study and practice involved? Some stability in the home life? Encouragement from parents? All of the above? > Now you know one. And you probably know many others, if you'd come at this discussion from a position of understanding rather than from a position of defiance. My defiance is because the author has quoted only feminists and cucked men. It's biased and needs to be called out. > What would someone who doesn't even seem to understand the concept of cultural privilege have to add to a discussion about cultural privilege? I am well aware of the cultural superiority of western civilization. Nothing else even comes close. But I'm certainly not going to be guilt-tripped about it by some Rothschild publication.

sctb 9y ago
Have we not asked you before and again to post civilly and substantively? We ban accounts that won't do this.
- camperman 9y ago
  Huh? If you could point out the uncivil bits, that would be helpful.
  - greglindahl 9y ago
    If you think calling some men "cucked" is civil, then maybe you're mostly hanging out in the wrong part of the Internets?
    - camperman 9y ago
      You're right - I should have used cuckolded.

monksy 9y ago

> if you've ever seriously considered starting a business, then you're probably privileged. I under that definition: We can consider a huge percentage of minorities to be privileged. Business popups where there are needs.

micahbright 9y ago

>>What would feminists know about a non-feminist man's perspective on marriage and fatherhood? >What would someone who doesn't even seem to understand the concept of cultural privilege have to add to a discussion about cultural privilege? I think what we seem to keep pointing out is that: the idea of cultural privilege is bullshit. It hasn't been proven. It doesn't exist. They won't even give us a solid definition that we could apply a scientific method. Therefore, any knowledge of the subject is moot. And, you ought to realize that the fact that you sit around thinking of ways to describe the chip on your shoulder is what's keeping you from this "privilege", not that someone has a wealth of opportunities that you do not.

vacri 9y ago
There's been a few studies where identical resumes have been sent out with "white-sounding" and "non-white-sounding" names, with the white names getting more follow-up. > They won't even give us a solid definition that we could apply a scientific method. Therefore, any knowledge of the subject is moot. Geez, don't ever ask about a bus route in a new town. The person isn't going to be able to do a blind trial with a null hypothesis in order to tell you that the route 5 goes downtown, so you can't trust them. Seriously though, you're talking nonsense. Cultural privilege has been shown time and time again. Hell, the whole 'colonialism' episode in global history revolved around the idea.
- glenra 9y ago
  > There's been a few studies where identical resumes have been sent out with "white-sounding" and "non-white-sounding" names, with the white names getting more follow-up. IIRC, that study finding didn't survive the replication crisis - the most recent resume studies didn't find bias against "non-white-sounding" names. An optimistic interpretation of the discrepancy is that the earlier studies had picked low-class "black-sounding" names. It's hard to do this kind of study cleanly since names don't merely signify race, they also signify other things like socioeconomic status and age so to do it right you'd need to carefully validate that the specific names used don't differ in implications other than race; I don't think that has really been done yet. (more here: http://datacolada.org/51 http://datacolada.org/51 )