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I'm all for people getting called what they want - and the staff in question have earned the professional rank they're insisting on, so it's only polite to foll
by pmyteh 9y ago
I'm all for people getting called what they want - and the staff in question have earned the professional rank they're insisting on, so it's only polite to follow their wishes.
The broader point that formal academic titles matter generally (outside the particularly cultural environment these professors find themselves in) is much less convincing, though. As a graduate student we referred to the most senior faculty by first name without a moment's thought - and without loss of respect for their professional skills. That was simply the cultural norm in our department, and we conformed. As an undergraduate at a different university staff preference varied, but our respect was generally conditioned on teaching competence, not what title they'd chosen. I now have my own PhD and a university research job, and frankly my status compared to undergraduate students is high enough just with that, without insisting on them referring to me as "Doctor".
Likewise, the value of being able to signal your understanding of formality (and your lower position) by dressing formally for a job interview doesn't mean that it's necessary for workplaces to insist on collar-and-tie every day. Norms change.
- hyperbovine 9y agoGraduate students are colleagues -- they write papers with, present alongside, and publish in the same journals and conferences as professors. The expectation of formality is rightfully less. Undergrads are a whole different story; >90% of them have no future in academia and you are training them to succeed in a the working world. A large part of that includes grovelling and kissing ass. Despite not being a very formal person at all I found myself strongly agreeing with this article.
- pmyteh 9y agoSorry - I should have been clearer. I'm in the UK, where there is a pretty sharp distinction between the taught Masters, taken both by intending academics and by others (but in neither case are you in any real sense a colleague of the faculty) and the PhD programme proper (where you are, albeit a very junior one). Academics in my department were on first-name terms with both the MSc and PhD students, though in other ways the nature of the relationship was as different as you describe. TBH, my experience of pre-academic workplaces was also that people would be referred to by name rather than title. I know that varies a lot depending on where you are.
- smelendez 9y agoI generally agree with you, but it's going to be awkward if you're the only one saying "Call me Dr. So-and-So" when everyone else is saying "Call me Pat" (or vice versa). Not sure what the solution is there.