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What do college professors expect? Anyone can easily go to college now and many kids receive absolutely no education during their former years. I remember bein

What do college professors expect? Anyone can easily go to college now and many kids receive absolutely no education during their former years. I remember being in AP English in 11th grade. We had to grade papers for the regular English class. I distinctly remember grading a paper that was using "red" to mean "read". This was common and not unusual. But, you know what? These kids went to public universities because apparently we don't need garbage men anymore so if you have a 2.5 GPA and a 16 on the ACT, you can get into college.

lucasmullens 9y ago
The ability to use formal writing isn't really limited by intelligence. And "many kids receive absolutely no education during their former years" is objectively false. You may disagree with its value but "absolutely no education" certainly isn't true.
- libeclipse 9y ago
  Intelligence != Knowledge/Education
brogrammernot 9y ago
The issue goes much deeper than "anyone" can go to college. Their is a huge education disparity between wealthy zip codes and poor zip codes. So, yes you were in an AP English class. How many of your fellow classmates do you think were on free and/or reduced lunch? How many students in the regular English classes were on free/reduced lunch? The educational disparity is the real root of this problem. You add in that the average salary of a teacher after 5 years of experience is less than nearly any job after 5 years of experience. This feeds into educational disparity even further as the good teachers want to teach in a wealthier school district as it is a much easier position to be in. More support from teachers, "smarter" kids, ability to get paid more as the taxes from that area can afford better teachers. Contrast that with poor school districts and you get the exact opposite. You have a variety of kids from troubled homes, you don't know if they had or can afford breakfast, you don't know if they have even a remotely okay home environment to do homework in. So sure, "anyone" with a pulse can get into college but the real issue is not that. It starts much, much earlier in the education system. It took me a long time to figure out how fortunate I was to grow up in a wealthier school district, and the fact that I worked my ass off to get where I am now but I'd be lying if because of white privilege + a wealthier zip code I wasn't exposed to more opportunities that made busting my ass pay off more.
- calcifer 9y ago
  > Their is a huge education disparity I agree with your overall point, but given the "proper language" nature of this thread I feel I must: there, not their.
  - brogrammernot 9y ago
    Hahahaha. Damnit. Goes to show, even with a graduate degree(in progress) there, their and they're still screwing with me
- valuearb 9y ago
  There is a disparity. It's linked to parental effort, not wealth. Sure wealth makes it easier to get tutors and such, but primarily kids who excel have parents who read to them and worked with them on homework. And teachers benefits outstrip almost any other job. Far more time off, pensions, good healthcare, etc. It's not a problem of what teachers are paid (there is no teacher shortage), it's a problem of how they are managed. Limited competition, degree and seniority driven promotion, tenure, etc. But again, the best teacher in the world is going to struggle if their kid's parents don't give a crap about working with them at night.
  - pyrale 9y ago
    You're ignoring that: -having parents at home, or not working two jobs to make ends meet is linked to wealth -having parents with good education has a significant impact on how much they can help children -having parents with wealth means children get a better environment and are more susceptible to focus on work -... (Also you're denying the overwhelming evidence of stats and science on this matter)
- nathanasmith 9y ago
  You're making a lot of assumptions here. Myself and quite a few of my classmates in AP English ate free lunch.
  - brogrammernot 9y ago
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lucasmullens 9y ago

The ability to use formal writing isn't really limited by intelligence. And "many kids receive absolutely no education during their former years" is objectively false. You may disagree with its value but "absolutely no education" certainly isn't true.

libeclipse 9y ago
Intelligence != Knowledge/Education

brogrammernot 9y ago

The issue goes much deeper than "anyone" can go to college. Their is a huge education disparity between wealthy zip codes and poor zip codes. So, yes you were in an AP English class. How many of your fellow classmates do you think were on free and/or reduced lunch? How many students in the regular English classes were on free/reduced lunch? The educational disparity is the real root of this problem. You add in that the average salary of a teacher after 5 years of experience is less than nearly any job after 5 years of experience. This feeds into educational disparity even further as the good teachers want to teach in a wealthier school district as it is a much easier position to be in. More support from teachers, "smarter" kids, ability to get paid more as the taxes from that area can afford better teachers. Contrast that with poor school districts and you get the exact opposite. You have a variety of kids from troubled homes, you don't know if they had or can afford breakfast, you don't know if they have even a remotely okay home environment to do homework in. So sure, "anyone" with a pulse can get into college but the real issue is not that. It starts much, much earlier in the education system. It took me a long time to figure out how fortunate I was to grow up in a wealthier school district, and the fact that I worked my ass off to get where I am now but I'd be lying if because of white privilege + a wealthier zip code I wasn't exposed to more opportunities that made busting my ass pay off more.

calcifer 9y ago
> Their is a huge education disparity I agree with your overall point, but given the "proper language" nature of this thread I feel I must: there, not their.
- brogrammernot 9y ago
  Hahahaha. Damnit. Goes to show, even with a graduate degree(in progress) there, their and they're still screwing with me
valuearb 9y ago
There is a disparity. It's linked to parental effort, not wealth. Sure wealth makes it easier to get tutors and such, but primarily kids who excel have parents who read to them and worked with them on homework. And teachers benefits outstrip almost any other job. Far more time off, pensions, good healthcare, etc. It's not a problem of what teachers are paid (there is no teacher shortage), it's a problem of how they are managed. Limited competition, degree and seniority driven promotion, tenure, etc. But again, the best teacher in the world is going to struggle if their kid's parents don't give a crap about working with them at night.
- pyrale 9y ago
  You're ignoring that: -having parents at home, or not working two jobs to make ends meet is linked to wealth -having parents with good education has a significant impact on how much they can help children -having parents with wealth means children get a better environment and are more susceptible to focus on work -... (Also you're denying the overwhelming evidence of stats and science on this matter)
nathanasmith 9y ago
You're making a lot of assumptions here. Myself and quite a few of my classmates in AP English ate free lunch.
- brogrammernot 9y ago

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