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>No, the problem is that sometimes, people are not able to refuse a work agreement. That statement has absolutely no basis in reality. It gets trotted out tim

>No, the problem is that sometimes, people are not able to refuse a work agreement. That statement has absolutely no basis in reality. It gets trotted out time and time again, however. >There are plenty of cases where a potential employee essentially has a choice between signing and starving. Again, that is pure BS. No one starves in the US. The number one health problem is obesity. >If I put a gun to your head, and you then 'consent' to an agreement where you give me money, and I don't shoot you, is that a hallmark of free society? If you don't know the difference between an armed robbery and a freely entered agreement, I thinking I'm wasting my time arguing with you.

rocqua 9y ago
My point is that consent is a sliding scale. Armed robbery is at an extreme point on that scale. For a less extreme point, consider your manager asking something of you in a personal capacity. There is clearly a problematic imbalance of power there. For a slightly worse example, consider sexual harassment. This is not o.k. due to the power imbalance. In general, consent given under duress isn't valid. It seems facetious to say there is a sharp line where duress ends and 'fair hardship' starts.
huehehue 9y ago
>Again, that is pure BS. No one starves in the US. The number one health problem is obesity. As someone who has been starving in the US and signed a suffocating work agreement to feed myself and keep my apartment, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Plenty of people starve in the US. I don't think I'm an edge case, either -- I have many friends in similar (or worse) situations. If you've never had to strategically overdraw money from your bank account or write a check you knew would bounce to get by, then I don't think you know how bad it can get for the "middle" class.
- rhapsodic 9y ago
  >Plenty of people starve in the US. That statement is laughably ridiculous. Can you provide examples, aside from people with eating disorders?
  - ohazi 9y ago
    You are either being obstinate, or are comically naive. Not everyone who disagrees with your apparent "libertarianism with zero exceptions" philosophy is a freedom-hating communist, and your position is indefensible if you are too myopic to even consider some of the very real edge cases where it falls on its face. Get off your high horse.
    - rhapsodic 9y ago
      >You are either being obstinate, or are comically naive. Perhaps you can show me some evidence to support the ridiculous statement that "plenty of people starve in the US."
      - ohazi 9y ago
        Seriously? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_in_the_United_States

rocqua 9y ago

My point is that consent is a sliding scale. Armed robbery is at an extreme point on that scale. For a less extreme point, consider your manager asking something of you in a personal capacity. There is clearly a problematic imbalance of power there. For a slightly worse example, consider sexual harassment. This is not o.k. due to the power imbalance. In general, consent given under duress isn't valid. It seems facetious to say there is a sharp line where duress ends and 'fair hardship' starts.

huehehue 9y ago

>Again, that is pure BS. No one starves in the US. The number one health problem is obesity. As someone who has been starving in the US and signed a suffocating work agreement to feed myself and keep my apartment, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Plenty of people starve in the US. I don't think I'm an edge case, either -- I have many friends in similar (or worse) situations. If you've never had to strategically overdraw money from your bank account or write a check you knew would bounce to get by, then I don't think you know how bad it can get for the "middle" class.

rhapsodic 9y ago
>Plenty of people starve in the US. That statement is laughably ridiculous. Can you provide examples, aside from people with eating disorders?
- ohazi 9y ago
  You are either being obstinate, or are comically naive. Not everyone who disagrees with your apparent "libertarianism with zero exceptions" philosophy is a freedom-hating communist, and your position is indefensible if you are too myopic to even consider some of the very real edge cases where it falls on its face. Get off your high horse.
  - rhapsodic 9y ago
    >You are either being obstinate, or are comically naive. Perhaps you can show me some evidence to support the ridiculous statement that "plenty of people starve in the US."
    - ohazi 9y ago
      Seriously? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_in_the_United_States