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TERABYTES? I didn't know that much TV _existed_

dawnerd 9y ago
Oh there's way more than that... My, I mean, my friends server is about the same size and stuffed full of tv. Not even close to having s complete library.
- roryisok 9y ago
  MY friend thought he was doing well with an almost full 2TB drive, which also contains movies. But then again most of his stuff is 480p. He has a 42" tv and from 12 feet away he finds it quite difficult to notice any difference with HD. Maybe he's alone in this?
  - milkytron 9y ago
    For tv shows, he's most likely fine. The only instance where I personally need HD is watching hockey because the puck is so tiny.
  - kevingrahl 9y ago
    I personally can't stand anything below 720p, the majority of my content is 1080p, x265, 6CH, 10bit wherever I can get my hands on it.
    - roryisok 9y ago
      I find if the story is engrossing enough the quality doesn't really matter too much.
tracker1 9y ago
Heh... I've been re-encoding a lot of mine to HEVC, and some things lowering the quality a little at the same time to get back some space... I do with nvenc had a bit higher quality, but the speed over x265 is so colossal I use it anyway. Most TV content as I watch, I'll nuke.. stuff I really like, I'll keep and if not already hevc, I'll re-encode. Fortunately, I don't get too much from say 1080p over 720p, and hevc at 1080p seems to do very well, even at the lower quality (relatively) settings... so I'm getting 1080p content saved at file sizes sometimes half 720p avc. In any case, I still pay for netflix/amazon, just got an NVidia Shield TV and love it so far (though had considered DirectTV Now, but they don't support Android TV for no reason). I cut the cord a while ago, and other than the Superbowl (next year just going to a bar), haven't missed it. May setup Plex eventually as well, for now, kodi over the lan works great.
- pyre 9y ago
  If you cared about the Super Bowl that much, couldn't you just get a tv tuner card to use the OTA broadcast?
  - tracker1 9y ago
    I tend not to buy stuff I know I'll only use once a year, if I can avoid it. I'm in a relatively small (by american standards) apartment, and would rather have space for a new kitchen gadget, which I also avoid at this point.
- roryisok 9y ago
  > the speed over x265 is so colossal Encoding speed? Does it really save that much space?
  - kevingrahl 9y ago
    Encoding speed of x265 (if you haven't got a very recent graphics cards) is really bad, but files are around 40-60% smaller than x264.
    - roryisok 9y ago
      > 40-60% smaller than x264 Holy crap. Is that using Pied Piper compression or something?
      - tracker1 9y ago
        h.265 (HEVC) compresses fairly differently, the modes and fallback methods are also better the higher the detail (dimensions)... with x.264 (AVC) you get pixelation, with HEVC you get blurring... for a 1080p or 4K output, this is MUCH more pleasant to watch and allows for some shortcuts that aren't as noisy. One of the first things I noticed when first seeing DirectTV and DVD quality, for example was the pixelation of things, usually in the background... to this day it sometimes distracts me... that alone is about enough for me. The way regions are selected for compression is also better, but I'm not into the technical details enough to explain well... all I know is I can get about 5/3 to 5/2 more content in HEVC while at an equivalent or better quality. So yeah, it's a big deal...
roryisok 9y ago
Down votes? Did I upset someone?
kevingrahl 9y ago
That's nothing, head over to /r/DataHoarder to see some real champs.
mcv 9y ago
Terabytes is nothing. If one movie is a couple of GB, a thousand movies will be a couple of TB. Since 1900, there have been on average 2500 movies released per year (the early years were quiet, recent years are closer to 10,000). So 2500 movies per year time 100 years time 4 GB per movie is 1 million GB, 1000 TB or 1 Petabyte. And that's just movies. If you also want TV shows, it's probably going to be several times that (though until recently, they were produced at lower resolution). Still 125 TB is a lot.
- roryisok 9y ago
  2500 movies a year? Who has time for that? Are there seriously people out there trying to download and store every movie released in 2017? I don't think I'd even approach watching 1% of the movies released in a year. I'm often playing catch up, watching ones from a few years back that I haven't gotten around to yet. I often think our resource usage as a species is insane. In an age when you can download anything in minutes at any time of the day we (well, some of us) fill terabytes of hard drive space with endless duplicates of movies and tv shows we'll probably never watch, albums we'll never listen to and more recently books we'll never read. And that's just digital, don't get me started on raw materials

Oh there's way more than that... My, I mean, my friends server is about the same size and stuffed full of tv. Not even close to having s complete library.

roryisok 9y ago
MY friend thought he was doing well with an almost full 2TB drive, which also contains movies. But then again most of his stuff is 480p. He has a 42" tv and from 12 feet away he finds it quite difficult to notice any difference with HD. Maybe he's alone in this?
- milkytron 9y ago
  For tv shows, he's most likely fine. The only instance where I personally need HD is watching hockey because the puck is so tiny.
- kevingrahl 9y ago
  I personally can't stand anything below 720p, the majority of my content is 1080p, x265, 6CH, 10bit wherever I can get my hands on it.
  - roryisok 9y ago
    I find if the story is engrossing enough the quality doesn't really matter too much.

tracker1 9y ago

Heh... I've been re-encoding a lot of mine to HEVC, and some things lowering the quality a little at the same time to get back some space... I do with nvenc had a bit higher quality, but the speed over x265 is so colossal I use it anyway. Most TV content as I watch, I'll nuke.. stuff I really like, I'll keep and if not already hevc, I'll re-encode. Fortunately, I don't get too much from say 1080p over 720p, and hevc at 1080p seems to do very well, even at the lower quality (relatively) settings... so I'm getting 1080p content saved at file sizes sometimes half 720p avc. In any case, I still pay for netflix/amazon, just got an NVidia Shield TV and love it so far (though had considered DirectTV Now, but they don't support Android TV for no reason). I cut the cord a while ago, and other than the Superbowl (next year just going to a bar), haven't missed it. May setup Plex eventually as well, for now, kodi over the lan works great.

pyre 9y ago
If you cared about the Super Bowl that much, couldn't you just get a tv tuner card to use the OTA broadcast?
- tracker1 9y ago
  I tend not to buy stuff I know I'll only use once a year, if I can avoid it. I'm in a relatively small (by american standards) apartment, and would rather have space for a new kitchen gadget, which I also avoid at this point.
roryisok 9y ago
> the speed over x265 is so colossal Encoding speed? Does it really save that much space?
- kevingrahl 9y ago
  Encoding speed of x265 (if you haven't got a very recent graphics cards) is really bad, but files are around 40-60% smaller than x264.
  - roryisok 9y ago
    > 40-60% smaller than x264 Holy crap. Is that using Pied Piper compression or something?
    - tracker1 9y ago
      h.265 (HEVC) compresses fairly differently, the modes and fallback methods are also better the higher the detail (dimensions)... with x.264 (AVC) you get pixelation, with HEVC you get blurring... for a 1080p or 4K output, this is MUCH more pleasant to watch and allows for some shortcuts that aren't as noisy. One of the first things I noticed when first seeing DirectTV and DVD quality, for example was the pixelation of things, usually in the background... to this day it sometimes distracts me... that alone is about enough for me. The way regions are selected for compression is also better, but I'm not into the technical details enough to explain well... all I know is I can get about 5/3 to 5/2 more content in HEVC while at an equivalent or better quality. So yeah, it's a big deal...

roryisok 9y ago

Down votes? Did I upset someone?

kevingrahl 9y ago

That's nothing, head over to /r/DataHoarder to see some real champs.

mcv 9y ago

Terabytes is nothing. If one movie is a couple of GB, a thousand movies will be a couple of TB. Since 1900, there have been on average 2500 movies released per year (the early years were quiet, recent years are closer to 10,000). So 2500 movies per year time 100 years time 4 GB per movie is 1 million GB, 1000 TB or 1 Petabyte. And that's just movies. If you also want TV shows, it's probably going to be several times that (though until recently, they were produced at lower resolution). Still 125 TB is a lot.

roryisok 9y ago
2500 movies a year? Who has time for that? Are there seriously people out there trying to download and store every movie released in 2017? I don't think I'd even approach watching 1% of the movies released in a year. I'm often playing catch up, watching ones from a few years back that I haven't gotten around to yet. I often think our resource usage as a species is insane. In an age when you can download anything in minutes at any time of the day we (well, some of us) fill terabytes of hard drive space with endless duplicates of movies and tv shows we'll probably never watch, albums we'll never listen to and more recently books we'll never read. And that's just digital, don't get me started on raw materials