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Almost no one will bat an eye at how fathers get a fraction of the time off mothers get in the US at "pro parents" companies. Eg: Mothers might get 3 mothers, f

by shados 9y ago

Almost no one will bat an eye at how fathers get a fraction of the time off mothers get in the US at "pro parents" companies. Eg: Mothers might get 3 mothers, fathers might get 1. Sure, mothers need a bit more time to physically recover, but you almost garentee the mother will be the one staying home for the kids: they get several times as much time to practice. Then they'll just ride the wave. This seems like such an obvious and trivial thing to fix that would get us a large part of the way to solving this problem. It would solve a lot of others, such as the subconscious "fear" a company might have when hiring a young woman that she might vanish for a few months if she gets pregnant, while a man would not leave for as long. Let's just make it equal already.

boomboomsubban 9y ago
>Almost no one will bat an eye at how fathers get a fraction of the time off mothers get in the US at "pro parents" companies. Eg: Mothers might get 3 mothers, fathers might get 1. The laws give them the same amount of time off, twelve weeks. There is a serious parental leave problem in the US, attacking the few places at least taking steps in the right direction doesn't seem smart.
- shados 9y ago
  federal law gives 12 weeks unpaid leave. Companies may give paid leave, and usually make it uneven and pat themselves on the back by how pro-women they are, when they are effectively screwing them over long term for a short term benefit by promoting this inequality. I don't even mind that they do it, so much as they really think they're OMG super pro diversity and pro women by doing so, when in a way they're hurting them.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    Even state law paid leave is often uneven in aggregate, but for arguably good cause (e.g., California has equal paid bonding leave for natural or adoptive parents, but women giving birth also have paid pregnancy disability leave.) While companies may not explicitly divide parental leave up the same way, they may be driven by similar concerns when creating unequal leave policies.
    - shados 9y ago
      Yeah, having equal leave + a bit more for actual pregnancy does make sense (it takes quite a bit leading up to childbirth and recovery after ward). not 3x as much though.
    - nichellecox 9y ago
      The fact that a Kizi game has done well makes it more likely that the system will be a success as there is money to be made by publishers so they will hopefully put more money towards making games for it on http://kizifan.com http://kizifan.com . I am just looking forward to trying out the X-wing mission and more of the same for Star Wars Battlefront II, now that they have said there will be VR support.
  - boomboomsubban 9y ago
    I understand your point, and in the big picture you are correct. The issue is only 12% of employers offer any kind of paid parental leave, so these companies are still pro-women even if they aren't perfect. If you criticize them they have the option of going back to nothing for everyone, fairer but significantly worse.
rayiner 9y ago
The combination of pushing breastfeeding and giving women much longer maternity leave starts things off in the wrong foot. I did all the night feedings for my daughter. At almost five, I'm still the nighttime parent (the one she wakes up every day at 3 am because she's not totally on board with sleeping by herself yet.)

by shados 9y ago

boomboomsubban 9y ago

>Almost no one will bat an eye at how fathers get a fraction of the time off mothers get in the US at "pro parents" companies. Eg: Mothers might get 3 mothers, fathers might get 1. The laws give them the same amount of time off, twelve weeks. There is a serious parental leave problem in the US, attacking the few places at least taking steps in the right direction doesn't seem smart.

shados 9y ago
federal law gives 12 weeks unpaid leave. Companies may give paid leave, and usually make it uneven and pat themselves on the back by how pro-women they are, when they are effectively screwing them over long term for a short term benefit by promoting this inequality. I don't even mind that they do it, so much as they really think they're OMG super pro diversity and pro women by doing so, when in a way they're hurting them.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  Even state law paid leave is often uneven in aggregate, but for arguably good cause (e.g., California has equal paid bonding leave for natural or adoptive parents, but women giving birth also have paid pregnancy disability leave.) While companies may not explicitly divide parental leave up the same way, they may be driven by similar concerns when creating unequal leave policies.
  - shados 9y ago
    Yeah, having equal leave + a bit more for actual pregnancy does make sense (it takes quite a bit leading up to childbirth and recovery after ward). not 3x as much though.
  - nichellecox 9y ago
    The fact that a Kizi game has done well makes it more likely that the system will be a success as there is money to be made by publishers so they will hopefully put more money towards making games for it on http://kizifan.com http://kizifan.com . I am just looking forward to trying out the X-wing mission and more of the same for Star Wars Battlefront II, now that they have said there will be VR support.
- boomboomsubban 9y ago
  I understand your point, and in the big picture you are correct. The issue is only 12% of employers offer any kind of paid parental leave, so these companies are still pro-women even if they aren't perfect. If you criticize them they have the option of going back to nothing for everyone, fairer but significantly worse.

rayiner 9y ago

The combination of pushing breastfeeding and giving women much longer maternity leave starts things off in the wrong foot. I did all the night feedings for my daughter. At almost five, I'm still the nighttime parent (the one she wakes up every day at 3 am because she's not totally on board with sleeping by herself yet.)