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> I like to imagine that one of the developers on that team filed a tech debt item to do exactly this, was never able to get their manager to prioritize it, and

> I like to imagine that one of the developers on that team filed a tech debt item to do exactly this, was never able to get their manager to prioritize it, and is now pulling out their hair saying, "I told you so!" Malware authors have budgets and schedules too. It's a business, probably more profitable than 90% of the startups in SV

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794CD01 9y ago
That's not exactly high praise. A tuft of grass is more profitable than 90% of the startups in SV.
- secondhandvape 9y ago
  Especially if that tuft of grass is on piece of real estate in the bay area.
  - EGreg 9y ago
    I wonder if Levi's jeans were more profitable than the average goldbug
- blablabla123 9y ago
  Haha... That's a quite negative point of view. I mean even though most startups don't survive and won't make the involved parties more wealthy, there are people who actually use that stuff. From a user perspective it's profitable ;)
duncan_bayne 9y ago
> It's a business No, it's not, and it's pretty damn rude to make that claim in the presence of legitimate businesspeople.
- klez 9y ago
  They didn't say "reputable business". Even the mob is a business, meaning "something whose purpose is making money" (over-simplified, but I'm sure you'll get the point).
  - mowenz 9y ago
    The definition of a business is an entity which provides goods/services to consumers. The typical moral distinction b/w a business and other entities which make[1] money is a business (presumably) does it within the constraint of their counterparties enjoying the liberty of choice. This becomes a grey area when government enters the picture and removes liberties--which is why there is debate about the legitimate role of government's monopoly on legitimate violence/aggression here. 1 - note, a further distinction could be made between entities which create value, and those which transfer it.
    - beaconstudios 9y ago
      > The definition of a business is an entity which provides goods/services to consumers. That's not true. A business is a vehicle for making money, that's it. Most businesses do this by providing goods or services, but certainly not all - for example, financial traders that only manage their own funds, like the Renaissance Medallion fund.
      - mowenz 9y ago
        Financial traders are still buying and selling goods and services with a counterparty. Even here, we still can observe that in most cases (except those where government interferes, or perhaps with organized crime) the counterparty is also enjoying a choice in whether or not they want to do the deal. I would argue that in cases where a counterparty has no choice, such a scheme should not be viewed as a legitimate busines, as it historically would not be.
        beaconstudios 9y ago

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794CD01 9y ago

That's not exactly high praise. A tuft of grass is more profitable than 90% of the startups in SV.

secondhandvape 9y ago
Especially if that tuft of grass is on piece of real estate in the bay area.
- EGreg 9y ago
  I wonder if Levi's jeans were more profitable than the average goldbug
blablabla123 9y ago
Haha... That's a quite negative point of view. I mean even though most startups don't survive and won't make the involved parties more wealthy, there are people who actually use that stuff. From a user perspective it's profitable ;)

duncan_bayne 9y ago

> It's a business No, it's not, and it's pretty damn rude to make that claim in the presence of legitimate businesspeople.

klez 9y ago
They didn't say "reputable business". Even the mob is a business, meaning "something whose purpose is making money" (over-simplified, but I'm sure you'll get the point).
- mowenz 9y ago
  The definition of a business is an entity which provides goods/services to consumers. The typical moral distinction b/w a business and other entities which make[1] money is a business (presumably) does it within the constraint of their counterparties enjoying the liberty of choice. This becomes a grey area when government enters the picture and removes liberties--which is why there is debate about the legitimate role of government's monopoly on legitimate violence/aggression here. 1 - note, a further distinction could be made between entities which create value, and those which transfer it.
  - beaconstudios 9y ago
    > The definition of a business is an entity which provides goods/services to consumers. That's not true. A business is a vehicle for making money, that's it. Most businesses do this by providing goods or services, but certainly not all - for example, financial traders that only manage their own funds, like the Renaissance Medallion fund.
    - mowenz 9y ago
      Financial traders are still buying and selling goods and services with a counterparty. Even here, we still can observe that in most cases (except those where government interferes, or perhaps with organized crime) the counterparty is also enjoying a choice in whether or not they want to do the deal. I would argue that in cases where a counterparty has no choice, such a scheme should not be viewed as a legitimate busines, as it historically would not be.
      - beaconstudios 9y ago