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Those two aren't mutually exclusive. America is an incredibly protectionist country as well if you aren't aware. http://www.eulerhermes.com/economic-research/p

Those two aren't mutually exclusive. America is an incredibly protectionist country as well if you aren't aware. http://www.eulerhermes.com/economic-research/publications/Pages/protectionism-is-not-new.aspx?postID=1048 http://www.eulerhermes.com/economic-research/publications/Pa... In the past 3 years, America has introduced far more protectionist measures than other countries.

aaron-lebo 9y ago
Is there any other source than that chart? I was looking for a supporting document to explain those figures but there's nothing apparently on that link besides that chart, which looks impressive but without context is as good as meaningless. edit: So Googling this, I came across this article, which agrees with the trends, but also notes: But the vast majority of the actions — 89 of the 145 — came in the form of anti-dumping and other cases aimed at alleged unfair behaviour by trading partners. Of those, more than 40 were aimed at the trade in steel and other metals. The global steel sector has been roiled by a collapse in prices blamed on China and its production of more of the metal than it can use. That has led to a growing number of anti-dumping cases in the US and EU and a backlash against Beijing’s bid to be recognised as a market economy in the WTO. https://www.ft.com/content/2dd0ecc4-3768-11e6-a780-b48ed7b6126f https://www.ft.com/content/2dd0ecc4-3768-11e6-a780-b48ed7b61...
- thablackbull 9y ago
  They are apparently using data from Global Trade Alerts http://www.globaltradealert.org/ http://www.globaltradealert.org/ I good intro would be their 19th Global Trade Alert Report http://www.globaltradealert.org/gta-analysis/global-trade-plateaus http://www.globaltradealert.org/gta-analysis/global-trade-pl...
  - narrowrail 9y ago
    Not to be pedantic (It's an unfortunate consequence of nuance), but just so you know, there is no country called "America." We have north, central, and south American continents with many countries; the U.S is one country in North America.
    - myrandomcomment 9y ago
      The name of the country is "United States of America" or you could say America as a shorted version, so there really is a county called America. If you said America to most people in the world they are pretty much going think the USA. BTW, you in your post used the other shorted version "U.S.". Not to be padantic or anything :) There is no other country on the American continents with America in its name.
      - narrowrail 9y ago
        That's fair, but many of my fellow American's in other countries within the continents think it is arrogant (I now realize that typing 'America' into wikip redirects to the US). I think of the United States as a reasonable shorthand because I believe in state sovereignty as supreme; Still unlike anything else in the America's. My terminology and ideas are considered antiquated, but I like to believe nuance is important, and the history of the terms we use can inform how we think about these concepts. "Often copied, never duplicated."
- fcanesin 9y ago
  You can look at every request for retaliation and amendment on the WTO here: https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/dispu_status_e.htm https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/dispu_status_e.... For example the US lost on subsidies for cotton and music intellectual properties infringement: https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds160_e.htm https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds160_e... https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds267_e.htm https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds267_e...
propman 9y ago
LOL nothing compared to China. China partners with startups, steals their IP and then escapes back to the homeland and no course of legal action. They get all the access to the West's markets and then give almost no access to their own. Their companies are all backed by the government and it's rigged in their favor. They cheat constantly, check out the EU scandal where they smuggle goods into London don't pay equal taxes as the EU companies, beat out competition who is playing fairly and then jack up prices. Their immigration policies are one of the worst in the world. Human rights violations insanely high. They purchase our movie studios and then force on them Chinese propaganda and nothing negative on China ever. America is one of the least protectionist countries in the world if not the least.
- matt_wulfeck 9y ago
  China doesn't even allow its own citizens to read about things like the Tiananmen square massacre. If they could censor the rest of the world they would. Even their citizens abroad will tow their party's line [0] 0. http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-essential-education-updates-southern-uc-davis-lands-the-dalai-lama-as-1487270569-htmlstory.html http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-essential-educati...
  - Kali909 9y ago
    Bit pedantic but it's 'toe the line' [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toe_the_line https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toe_the_line
- icantdrive55 9y ago
  "Oh--Yea, here's are land. Just make a phone call when you get home!" Is it any wonder why people fell into Trump's blather? I do give China credit. The government literally subsidizes (I believe) part of business shipping. The only reason Alibaba, or the the cousin something express hasen't decimated many of our markets is it takes over a month to ship.
- stupidhn 9y ago
  >They purchase our movie studios and then force on them Chinese propaganda and nothing negative on China ever. They are free to do what they want with what they have bought and paid for. >if not the least Lol is right.
hueving 9y ago
It doesn't matter what America does. Mr. Xi is hypocritical either way.
dave_sullivan 9y ago
China and the US have similar policies re: economic protectionism (as you point out). We have very different policies re: the openness of information. "Freedom of Speech" vs "The Great Firewall of China/kidnapping booksellers" The lack of Freedom of Speech in the most populous country in the world is a tragedy, full stop. Meanwhile, it would be cool to see less protectionist trade policies on both sides.
sceew 9y ago
Volume DNE extent.

aaron-lebo 9y ago

Is there any other source than that chart? I was looking for a supporting document to explain those figures but there's nothing apparently on that link besides that chart, which looks impressive but without context is as good as meaningless. edit: So Googling this, I came across this article, which agrees with the trends, but also notes: But the vast majority of the actions — 89 of the 145 — came in the form of anti-dumping and other cases aimed at alleged unfair behaviour by trading partners. Of those, more than 40 were aimed at the trade in steel and other metals. The global steel sector has been roiled by a collapse in prices blamed on China and its production of more of the metal than it can use. That has led to a growing number of anti-dumping cases in the US and EU and a backlash against Beijing’s bid to be recognised as a market economy in the WTO. https://www.ft.com/content/2dd0ecc4-3768-11e6-a780-b48ed7b6126f https://www.ft.com/content/2dd0ecc4-3768-11e6-a780-b48ed7b61...

thablackbull 9y ago
They are apparently using data from Global Trade Alerts http://www.globaltradealert.org/ http://www.globaltradealert.org/ I good intro would be their 19th Global Trade Alert Report http://www.globaltradealert.org/gta-analysis/global-trade-plateaus http://www.globaltradealert.org/gta-analysis/global-trade-pl...
- narrowrail 9y ago
  Not to be pedantic (It's an unfortunate consequence of nuance), but just so you know, there is no country called "America." We have north, central, and south American continents with many countries; the U.S is one country in North America.
  - myrandomcomment 9y ago
    The name of the country is "United States of America" or you could say America as a shorted version, so there really is a county called America. If you said America to most people in the world they are pretty much going think the USA. BTW, you in your post used the other shorted version "U.S.". Not to be padantic or anything :) There is no other country on the American continents with America in its name.
    - narrowrail 9y ago
      That's fair, but many of my fellow American's in other countries within the continents think it is arrogant (I now realize that typing 'America' into wikip redirects to the US). I think of the United States as a reasonable shorthand because I believe in state sovereignty as supreme; Still unlike anything else in the America's. My terminology and ideas are considered antiquated, but I like to believe nuance is important, and the history of the terms we use can inform how we think about these concepts. "Often copied, never duplicated."
fcanesin 9y ago
You can look at every request for retaliation and amendment on the WTO here: https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/dispu_status_e.htm https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/dispu_status_e.... For example the US lost on subsidies for cotton and music intellectual properties infringement: https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds160_e.htm https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds160_e... https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds267_e.htm https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds267_e...

propman 9y ago

LOL nothing compared to China. China partners with startups, steals their IP and then escapes back to the homeland and no course of legal action. They get all the access to the West's markets and then give almost no access to their own. Their companies are all backed by the government and it's rigged in their favor. They cheat constantly, check out the EU scandal where they smuggle goods into London don't pay equal taxes as the EU companies, beat out competition who is playing fairly and then jack up prices. Their immigration policies are one of the worst in the world. Human rights violations insanely high. They purchase our movie studios and then force on them Chinese propaganda and nothing negative on China ever. America is one of the least protectionist countries in the world if not the least.

matt_wulfeck 9y ago
China doesn't even allow its own citizens to read about things like the Tiananmen square massacre. If they could censor the rest of the world they would. Even their citizens abroad will tow their party's line [0] 0. http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-essential-education-updates-southern-uc-davis-lands-the-dalai-lama-as-1487270569-htmlstory.html http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-essential-educati...
- Kali909 9y ago
  Bit pedantic but it's 'toe the line' [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toe_the_line https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toe_the_line
icantdrive55 9y ago
"Oh--Yea, here's are land. Just make a phone call when you get home!" Is it any wonder why people fell into Trump's blather? I do give China credit. The government literally subsidizes (I believe) part of business shipping. The only reason Alibaba, or the the cousin something express hasen't decimated many of our markets is it takes over a month to ship.
stupidhn 9y ago
>They purchase our movie studios and then force on them Chinese propaganda and nothing negative on China ever. They are free to do what they want with what they have bought and paid for. >if not the least Lol is right.

hueving 9y ago

It doesn't matter what America does. Mr. Xi is hypocritical either way.

dave_sullivan 9y ago

China and the US have similar policies re: economic protectionism (as you point out). We have very different policies re: the openness of information. "Freedom of Speech" vs "The Great Firewall of China/kidnapping booksellers" The lack of Freedom of Speech in the most populous country in the world is a tragedy, full stop. Meanwhile, it would be cool to see less protectionist trade policies on both sides.

sceew 9y ago

Volume DNE extent.