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The article seems to blame Trump for dental problems. This is strange since none of the described problems have anything to do with Trump. Adult dental coverage

The article seems to blame Trump for dental problems. This is strange since none of the described problems have anything to do with Trump. Adult dental coverage is not a required part of ACA plans so changes to ACA can't make it worse as the article implies.

anigbrowl 9y ago
You're skipping over the art where Trump promised voters like this an affordable and comprehensive solution to their healthcare needs. That's a matter of fact, and refuting it with legal technicalities is exactly the sort of thing that make his voters feel they've been had.
- mjevans 9y ago
  They were (had / taken advantage of). Does anyone at all remember even an outline of a real plan for /HOW/ that campaign promise would be realized? All I remember is marketing puffery, pure factless, baseless, hot air. Come to think of it, I can't even remember what Hillary was running on. Bernie was someone I could believe in and wanted to vote for.
  - pnathan 9y ago
    Hillary would have expanded and improved Obamacare, basically. Relevant to this article, a goal was to add a public option; along with adding optional Medicare coverage down to age 55 and significantly enhancing the ideas of "community health centers", which are currently pretty effective. Of course, the goals of a product often conflict with implementation realities in the process of getting it done, so not all the features would have landed, I think. Er, I mean political candidate & campaign promises, not product & features. What was I thinking? That you don't remember Hillary's policy is an artifact of her marketing combined with the media's coverage, which was not on her policies.
    - droithomme 9y ago
      I would like to see a reference to Hillary promising to add dental coverage to Obamacare. Thanks in advance. I would also like to see a reference to Trump making the same promise as anigbrowl has claimed. Thanks in advance. It's interesting that several people in the thread are suggesting that adult dental coverage was going to be part of the ACA insurance overhaul proposals by both Hillary and Trump. I can find no reference to either candidate making such a proposal. Those claiming they did make these promises should provide references showing so.
      - pnathan 9y ago
        > I would like to see a reference to Hillary promising to add dental coverage to Obamacare. Thanks in advance. Can't give that, sorry. I wanted to specifically provide the high-level claims Hillary was making, as GP couldn't recall her promises. My source is the campaign promise book, Stronger Together. Dental is not mentioned in the area I surveyed. A more policy oriented remark by HRC is found here: > We need to address the lack of access to primary health care, dental care, and mental health care by catalyzing partnerships between public health departments, health care systems, and community-based organizations. As we do, we must promote integrated mental health care, and enforce insurance coverage parity requirements to ensure that mental health care is not siloed. http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsb1612292 http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsb1612292 Clearly dental was not a headline coverage promise, unfortunately. I'm not sure it would have mattered.... With respect to Trump's promise: > DAVID MUIR: Let me ask you, Mr. President, about another promise involving Obamacare to repeal it. And you told The Washington Post that your plan to replace Obamacare will include insurance for everybody. That sounds an awful lot like universal coverage. > PRESIDENT TRUMP: It's going to be -- what my plan is is that I wanna take care of everybody. I'm not gonna leave the lower 20 percent that can't afford insurance. Just so you understand people talk about Obamacare. And I told the Republicans this, the best thing we could do is nothing for two years, let it explode. And then we'll go in and we'll do a new plan and -- and the Democrats will vote for it. Believe me. Source: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-abc-news-anchor-david-muir-interviews-president/story?id=45047602 http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-abc-news-anchor-da...
hexane360 9y ago
I didn't read it that way. I read it more as "Obamacare gave America an opportunity to close the gap somewhat, and Trumpcare threatens to slam the door"
brudgers 9y ago
I don't think the article is blaming the president. To me, the article illustrates a reason that some people have decided that systems are broken/unfair/inaccessible.

anigbrowl 9y ago

You're skipping over the art where Trump promised voters like this an affordable and comprehensive solution to their healthcare needs. That's a matter of fact, and refuting it with legal technicalities is exactly the sort of thing that make his voters feel they've been had.

mjevans 9y ago
They were (had / taken advantage of). Does anyone at all remember even an outline of a real plan for /HOW/ that campaign promise would be realized? All I remember is marketing puffery, pure factless, baseless, hot air. Come to think of it, I can't even remember what Hillary was running on. Bernie was someone I could believe in and wanted to vote for.
- pnathan 9y ago
  Hillary would have expanded and improved Obamacare, basically. Relevant to this article, a goal was to add a public option; along with adding optional Medicare coverage down to age 55 and significantly enhancing the ideas of "community health centers", which are currently pretty effective. Of course, the goals of a product often conflict with implementation realities in the process of getting it done, so not all the features would have landed, I think. Er, I mean political candidate & campaign promises, not product & features. What was I thinking? That you don't remember Hillary's policy is an artifact of her marketing combined with the media's coverage, which was not on her policies.
  - droithomme 9y ago
    I would like to see a reference to Hillary promising to add dental coverage to Obamacare. Thanks in advance. I would also like to see a reference to Trump making the same promise as anigbrowl has claimed. Thanks in advance. It's interesting that several people in the thread are suggesting that adult dental coverage was going to be part of the ACA insurance overhaul proposals by both Hillary and Trump. I can find no reference to either candidate making such a proposal. Those claiming they did make these promises should provide references showing so.
    - pnathan 9y ago
      > I would like to see a reference to Hillary promising to add dental coverage to Obamacare. Thanks in advance. Can't give that, sorry. I wanted to specifically provide the high-level claims Hillary was making, as GP couldn't recall her promises. My source is the campaign promise book, Stronger Together. Dental is not mentioned in the area I surveyed. A more policy oriented remark by HRC is found here: > We need to address the lack of access to primary health care, dental care, and mental health care by catalyzing partnerships between public health departments, health care systems, and community-based organizations. As we do, we must promote integrated mental health care, and enforce insurance coverage parity requirements to ensure that mental health care is not siloed. http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsb1612292 http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsb1612292 Clearly dental was not a headline coverage promise, unfortunately. I'm not sure it would have mattered.... With respect to Trump's promise: > DAVID MUIR: Let me ask you, Mr. President, about another promise involving Obamacare to repeal it. And you told The Washington Post that your plan to replace Obamacare will include insurance for everybody. That sounds an awful lot like universal coverage. > PRESIDENT TRUMP: It's going to be -- what my plan is is that I wanna take care of everybody. I'm not gonna leave the lower 20 percent that can't afford insurance. Just so you understand people talk about Obamacare. And I told the Republicans this, the best thing we could do is nothing for two years, let it explode. And then we'll go in and we'll do a new plan and -- and the Democrats will vote for it. Believe me. Source: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-abc-news-anchor-david-muir-interviews-president/story?id=45047602 http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-abc-news-anchor-da...

hexane360 9y ago

I didn't read it that way. I read it more as "Obamacare gave America an opportunity to close the gap somewhat, and Trumpcare threatens to slam the door"

brudgers 9y ago

I don't think the article is blaming the president. To me, the article illustrates a reason that some people have decided that systems are broken/unfair/inaccessible.