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If this comes to fruition, i will never use software originating from the UK again.

turblety 9y ago
Me and a bunch of IT colleagues are all planning to leave and goto Europe once this and the Brexit stuff happens. The UK's going to be left with a bunch of uneducated, old fashioned, racist and obedient zombies. So don't worry, the UK's basically done. I'm guessing less and less products and research will come out of the UK until it basically becomes an irrelevant country.
- stevekemp 9y ago
  If you're really committed to leaving I suspect it would be better to do so, and get settled, in advance. Instead of on the flag-day when "everybody" else is also leaving. Moving countries isn't easy, and getting settled in a new location takes time.
  - bazzargh 9y ago
    It's already too late in most cases, getting permanent residence rights elsewhere in the EU requires you to have lived there for 5 years; but there's under 2 years left before UK citizens lose their rights to work elsewhere in the EU. So you'd have to emigrate as a non-EU citizen, unless you qualify under one of the get-out clauses (eg joint citzenship, or you go to work in the EU and then have an accident that prevents you from ever working again(!))
    - fauigerzigerk 9y ago
      No, that is not necessarily the case. It will depend on the outcome of the negotiations. The 5 year rule is part of the existing freedom of movement regulation. It provides additional protection against getting kicked out in case of sickness or unemployment. Exercising the right to live and work anywhere in the EU before Brexit takes effect may well mean that you can keep those rights after Brexit and acquire permanent residence rights later on. Anything else would mean that hundereds of thousands of people would have to be deported, which would go against every promise made in the referendum campaign.
    - stevekemp 9y ago
      The UK is still currently member of the EU right now, so there's nothing stopping you from relocation. From there you might have to wait N-years for citizenship, but freedom of movement hasn't been curtailed at the moment, even if it might be in the future. The only potential spanner in the works is the question of what happens to foreigners in the UK, and the reciprocal agreement that has yet to be agreed. But it seems extraordinarily unlikely a UK-citizen who gained residency in German would be told to leave in two years time.
  - mike-cardwell 9y ago
    Most of the people who say they're going to leave, are just blowing hot air.
    - JupiterMoon 9y ago
      Many of us have already left :)
    - stevekemp 9y ago
      True. We only have to look at how many Americans failed to move to Canada/elsewhere to see that! I'm not happy about the Brexit vote, but in all honesty even with the "Leave" result I don't think I'd have left the country. (As it happens I left the year before, for unrelated reasons, but I'm a little glad I left.)
- fauigerzigerk 9y ago
  Where will you be moving? We're also weighing our options but haven't made a decision yet on whether and where we're going to go.
  - grey-area 9y ago
    I've been thinking about Berlin and Dublin.
  - Kali909 9y ago
    Personally the Nords seem to have their heads screwed on correctly to me, from what I can tell. Sweden or Iceland need any developers? Australia has gone down the same path, both parties are in agreement on this stripping back of privacy, metadata collection and (what feels like to me) moving to a totalitarian regime. I don't think this can be fixed.
- s0l1dsnak3123 9y ago
  Support Scottish Independence and move north! Burgeoning games dev industry, along with a couple of unicorn startups based here, and a much more left-leaning government.
  - CommanderData 9y ago
    With the prospect of 5 more years of Conservative (dictatorship) an independent Scotland would be interesting and would appeal if it offers protections to privacy. The BBC recently stated in their cyclic review soon after the Scottish referendum they want to strengthen the presence of the BBC in Scotland and increase programming promoting the national UK government interests. So we'll have to see how long the Scots want independence for.
- mike-cardwell 9y ago
  Nice annecdote. Here's another one: I work in the IT industry in the UK. Not one of my current or past colleagues has mentioned any desire to leave the UK due to Brexit, and not one of them is a racist zombie either.
  - EliRivers 9y ago
    "not one of them is a racist zombie either" How sure are you about that? I was surprised by the number of people who have been holding some unpleasant opinions secret forever, and then felt safe to express them for a short while following the Brexit vote. It seems to have become unacceptable again, but it turned out more people than I realised were holding these views.
    - nitrogen 9y ago
      I do think something is a bit wrong when people feel unsafe expressing their opinions. An opinion unexpressed is an opinion unchallenged.
    - mike-cardwell 9y ago
      Fairly certain. I know people who voted to remain in the EU, and people who voted to leave the EU. None of them are racists; they had valid reasons for voting the way they did, and none of them are planning to leave the UK due to us leaving the EU. I regularly see people mouthing off on forums about how they're going to leave their respective countries because they're not happy they didn't get their way in one vote or another. But do I see people ever say that they have left their countries? Pretty much never.
      - JupiterMoon 9y ago
        Here's one :)
      - waqf 9y ago
        That's because as soon as we leave, we forget about domestic politics in the old country and stop reading those forums. We're too busy whining about domestic politics in the new one and talking about how we're going to leave it :).
- CommanderData 9y ago
  This is really damaging to the UK tech scene. I don't blame you and I feel the same way.

Me and a bunch of IT colleagues are all planning to leave and goto Europe once this and the Brexit stuff happens. The UK's going to be left with a bunch of uneducated, old fashioned, racist and obedient zombies. So don't worry, the UK's basically done. I'm guessing less and less products and research will come out of the UK until it basically becomes an irrelevant country.

stevekemp 9y ago
If you're really committed to leaving I suspect it would be better to do so, and get settled, in advance. Instead of on the flag-day when "everybody" else is also leaving. Moving countries isn't easy, and getting settled in a new location takes time.
- bazzargh 9y ago
  It's already too late in most cases, getting permanent residence rights elsewhere in the EU requires you to have lived there for 5 years; but there's under 2 years left before UK citizens lose their rights to work elsewhere in the EU. So you'd have to emigrate as a non-EU citizen, unless you qualify under one of the get-out clauses (eg joint citzenship, or you go to work in the EU and then have an accident that prevents you from ever working again(!))
  - fauigerzigerk 9y ago
    No, that is not necessarily the case. It will depend on the outcome of the negotiations. The 5 year rule is part of the existing freedom of movement regulation. It provides additional protection against getting kicked out in case of sickness or unemployment. Exercising the right to live and work anywhere in the EU before Brexit takes effect may well mean that you can keep those rights after Brexit and acquire permanent residence rights later on. Anything else would mean that hundereds of thousands of people would have to be deported, which would go against every promise made in the referendum campaign.
  - stevekemp 9y ago
    The UK is still currently member of the EU right now, so there's nothing stopping you from relocation. From there you might have to wait N-years for citizenship, but freedom of movement hasn't been curtailed at the moment, even if it might be in the future. The only potential spanner in the works is the question of what happens to foreigners in the UK, and the reciprocal agreement that has yet to be agreed. But it seems extraordinarily unlikely a UK-citizen who gained residency in German would be told to leave in two years time.
- mike-cardwell 9y ago
  Most of the people who say they're going to leave, are just blowing hot air.
  - JupiterMoon 9y ago
    Many of us have already left :)
  - stevekemp 9y ago
    True. We only have to look at how many Americans failed to move to Canada/elsewhere to see that! I'm not happy about the Brexit vote, but in all honesty even with the "Leave" result I don't think I'd have left the country. (As it happens I left the year before, for unrelated reasons, but I'm a little glad I left.)
fauigerzigerk 9y ago
Where will you be moving? We're also weighing our options but haven't made a decision yet on whether and where we're going to go.
- grey-area 9y ago
  I've been thinking about Berlin and Dublin.
- Kali909 9y ago
  Personally the Nords seem to have their heads screwed on correctly to me, from what I can tell. Sweden or Iceland need any developers? Australia has gone down the same path, both parties are in agreement on this stripping back of privacy, metadata collection and (what feels like to me) moving to a totalitarian regime. I don't think this can be fixed.
s0l1dsnak3123 9y ago
Support Scottish Independence and move north! Burgeoning games dev industry, along with a couple of unicorn startups based here, and a much more left-leaning government.
- CommanderData 9y ago
  With the prospect of 5 more years of Conservative (dictatorship) an independent Scotland would be interesting and would appeal if it offers protections to privacy. The BBC recently stated in their cyclic review soon after the Scottish referendum they want to strengthen the presence of the BBC in Scotland and increase programming promoting the national UK government interests. So we'll have to see how long the Scots want independence for.
mike-cardwell 9y ago
Nice annecdote. Here's another one: I work in the IT industry in the UK. Not one of my current or past colleagues has mentioned any desire to leave the UK due to Brexit, and not one of them is a racist zombie either.
- EliRivers 9y ago
  "not one of them is a racist zombie either" How sure are you about that? I was surprised by the number of people who have been holding some unpleasant opinions secret forever, and then felt safe to express them for a short while following the Brexit vote. It seems to have become unacceptable again, but it turned out more people than I realised were holding these views.
  - nitrogen 9y ago
    I do think something is a bit wrong when people feel unsafe expressing their opinions. An opinion unexpressed is an opinion unchallenged.
  - mike-cardwell 9y ago
    Fairly certain. I know people who voted to remain in the EU, and people who voted to leave the EU. None of them are racists; they had valid reasons for voting the way they did, and none of them are planning to leave the UK due to us leaving the EU. I regularly see people mouthing off on forums about how they're going to leave their respective countries because they're not happy they didn't get their way in one vote or another. But do I see people ever say that they have left their countries? Pretty much never.
    - JupiterMoon 9y ago
      Here's one :)
    - waqf 9y ago
      That's because as soon as we leave, we forget about domestic politics in the old country and stop reading those forums. We're too busy whining about domestic politics in the new one and talking about how we're going to leave it :).
CommanderData 9y ago
This is really damaging to the UK tech scene. I don't blame you and I feel the same way.