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I think it's an American thing. ITT everyone is complaining about the last mile stuff and the logistics of it all, but fundamentally everyone just hates it for

I think it's an American thing. ITT everyone is complaining about the last mile stuff and the logistics of it all, but fundamentally everyone just hates it for cultural reasons. In you head, you just see images of plastic seats covered in hobo urine and a train car that smells like disinfectant of some sort. In places where it's actually practical as a complete transportation solution, the conditions are also somewhat better.

princekolt 9y ago
It is a very american thing. In most european cities public transport works very well and people don't really mind walking 10-20 minutes if needed.
- pdelbarba 9y ago
  Yea, that and the HN bubble is strong here. Transport is one of those issues that's divided along class lines. As you go up in class, you become more segregated from your fellow city goers and this plan exemplifies that. A person at the poverty line takes the bus, a little more money, a car that you park and walk to, maybe a plane ticket somewhere, but at a certain point, your driver drops you off at the entrance to your building and you have a personal jet on standby at the nearest satellite airport fueled and ready to take you anywhere in privacy.
  - hinkley 9y ago
    Grandparent talks about freedom but it's only freedom for the upper and middle class. That's not freedom, that's privilege. In cities where public transportation is expected, places you want to go tend to be clustered better, so you can walk/bike/bus/train to several things at once. "Location location location" has to consider foot traffic.
    - geezerjay 9y ago
      > Grandparent talks about freedom but it's only freedom for the upper and middle class. That's not freedom, that's privilege. Nonsense. Just because some people are unable to exercise their rights it doesn't mean that others should not, let alone that those rights suddenly become mere privileges. You should try your best to improve the life of everyone around you, not drag down those who are better off just to force them into everyone's misery.
  - MK999 9y ago
    Cars make you broke, average cost of car ownership for an American is $8K per year.
- scryder 9y ago
  This is because many European city were designed in a time preceding pubicly-accessible transport and thus were - and are - designed to be almost completely traversible on foot. This makes coverage gaps in public transport less obvious or problematic than in the US. Cities modernized around the car are best traveled theough by car.
- dogma1138 9y ago
  In many but definitely not most. There are a lot of European cities and even whole countries including fairly developed ones with pretty shitty public transport. You also need to check the walkability of many cities. In Europe it's better in the center of old cities but gets pretty bad, in the US the cities tend to sprawl much more especially newer cities like LA. You won't have a highway crossing a city in Europe in the US it's much more common.
NwmG 9y ago
NYC is in the united states and has one of the best subway systems in the world. Also culturally the subway has be come part of all New Yorkers day, from CEO's to yes homeless people.

princekolt 9y ago

It is a very american thing. In most european cities public transport works very well and people don't really mind walking 10-20 minutes if needed.

pdelbarba 9y ago
Yea, that and the HN bubble is strong here. Transport is one of those issues that's divided along class lines. As you go up in class, you become more segregated from your fellow city goers and this plan exemplifies that. A person at the poverty line takes the bus, a little more money, a car that you park and walk to, maybe a plane ticket somewhere, but at a certain point, your driver drops you off at the entrance to your building and you have a personal jet on standby at the nearest satellite airport fueled and ready to take you anywhere in privacy.
- hinkley 9y ago
  Grandparent talks about freedom but it's only freedom for the upper and middle class. That's not freedom, that's privilege. In cities where public transportation is expected, places you want to go tend to be clustered better, so you can walk/bike/bus/train to several things at once. "Location location location" has to consider foot traffic.
  - geezerjay 9y ago
    > Grandparent talks about freedom but it's only freedom for the upper and middle class. That's not freedom, that's privilege. Nonsense. Just because some people are unable to exercise their rights it doesn't mean that others should not, let alone that those rights suddenly become mere privileges. You should try your best to improve the life of everyone around you, not drag down those who are better off just to force them into everyone's misery.
- MK999 9y ago
  Cars make you broke, average cost of car ownership for an American is $8K per year.
scryder 9y ago
This is because many European city were designed in a time preceding pubicly-accessible transport and thus were - and are - designed to be almost completely traversible on foot. This makes coverage gaps in public transport less obvious or problematic than in the US. Cities modernized around the car are best traveled theough by car.
dogma1138 9y ago
In many but definitely not most. There are a lot of European cities and even whole countries including fairly developed ones with pretty shitty public transport. You also need to check the walkability of many cities. In Europe it's better in the center of old cities but gets pretty bad, in the US the cities tend to sprawl much more especially newer cities like LA. You won't have a highway crossing a city in Europe in the US it's much more common.

NwmG 9y ago

NYC is in the united states and has one of the best subway systems in the world. Also culturally the subway has be come part of all New Yorkers day, from CEO's to yes homeless people.