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> If people could provide enough value to live off of, then they would. Everyone wants to be paid more. Have you ever had to support yourself or others while e

> If people could provide enough value to live off of, then they would. Everyone wants to be paid more. Have you ever had to support yourself or others while earning minimum wage? Or did your upper-middle-class family fund your college education so you could make a comfortable living as a software engineer? I'm seriously wondering because your tone is full of self-entitled, condescending ignorance.

humanrebar 9y ago
> Have you ever had to support yourself or others while earning minimum wage? Yes. The home I grew up in was lower middle class at best, though it's irrelevant to my arguments and generally none of your business. But since it's now a subject of interest, what is relevant was that earning minimum wage as a teenager helped my blue collar family since I paid for my own clothes, transportation, gas, food, school incidentals, and many other expenses. I wouldn't have found a job paying $15 an hour. I would have been unemployed (though we don't count poor teenagers as unemployed usually). And my family's budget would have been negatively impacted.
- forgotpwtomain 9y ago
  > though it's irrelevant to my arguments and generally none of your business. I don't think it's irrelevant because certain foundations predispose one to certain lines of arguments. Particularly >> If adults with kids aren't qualified for something more involved or demanding than grocery bagging Not all adults have had an equal opportunity to obtain a skill-set that would qualify them for a better job and once you are stuck barely scraping by with a livable-wage it's very difficult to alter that situation. Culture and upbringing play a large part; children are easily impressionable, those growing up in troubled families or neighborhoods are less likely to do well in school and less likely to gain a skill-set that they would need to provide more value in the future. > what is relevant was that earning minimum wage as a teenager helped my blue collar family since I paid for my own clothes, transportation, gas, food, school incidentals, and many other expenses. I think it's great you were able to do that, but that doesn't mean that this minimum-wage would be sufficient for someone without a family to support them, or trying to acquire a skill-set later in their twenties.
  - humanrebar 9y ago
    > I don't think it's irrelevant because certain foundations predispose one to certain lines of arguments. Regardless, bringing personal history into it is bad reasoning and unnecessarily divisive at best. And at times it brings out the worst in people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

humanrebar 9y ago

> Have you ever had to support yourself or others while earning minimum wage? Yes. The home I grew up in was lower middle class at best, though it's irrelevant to my arguments and generally none of your business. But since it's now a subject of interest, what is relevant was that earning minimum wage as a teenager helped my blue collar family since I paid for my own clothes, transportation, gas, food, school incidentals, and many other expenses. I wouldn't have found a job paying $15 an hour. I would have been unemployed (though we don't count poor teenagers as unemployed usually). And my family's budget would have been negatively impacted.

forgotpwtomain 9y ago
> though it's irrelevant to my arguments and generally none of your business. I don't think it's irrelevant because certain foundations predispose one to certain lines of arguments. Particularly >> If adults with kids aren't qualified for something more involved or demanding than grocery bagging Not all adults have had an equal opportunity to obtain a skill-set that would qualify them for a better job and once you are stuck barely scraping by with a livable-wage it's very difficult to alter that situation. Culture and upbringing play a large part; children are easily impressionable, those growing up in troubled families or neighborhoods are less likely to do well in school and less likely to gain a skill-set that they would need to provide more value in the future. > what is relevant was that earning minimum wage as a teenager helped my blue collar family since I paid for my own clothes, transportation, gas, food, school incidentals, and many other expenses. I think it's great you were able to do that, but that doesn't mean that this minimum-wage would be sufficient for someone without a family to support them, or trying to acquire a skill-set later in their twenties.
- humanrebar 9y ago
  > I don't think it's irrelevant because certain foundations predispose one to certain lines of arguments. Regardless, bringing personal history into it is bad reasoning and unnecessarily divisive at best. And at times it brings out the worst in people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority