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You do know that it's trivial to obtain these drugs (and tests) on tor marketplaces right? In case you did not, the alphabay sells both drugs and tests, and ce

by SCHiM 9y ago

You do know that it's trivial to obtain these drugs (and tests) on tor marketplaces right? In case you did not, the alphabay sells both drugs and tests, and certain countries (like the Netherlands) also have labs that test your drugs for a small fee with no chance of prosecution. Alternatively in the Netherlands you can also buy the tests from normal webshops like https://azarius.nl/ https://azarius.nl/.

slfnflctd 9y ago
It may be what you consider 'trivial', but it is by no means anonymous, unless you are already engaged in some form of elaborate identity theft/falsification. Nearly all transactions are in bitcoin, from what I've read, and it is pretty much impossible at this point to acquire & spend bitcoins in a truly anonymous manner (unless maybe you have an IP address which cannot be tied to you in any possible way, including by security cameras or smartphone data). Law enforcement may not be choosing to do anything about this on a large scale yet, but if you're leaving a trail, they can always decide to make you part of a big dragnet bust in the future. Technology makes this kind of thing easier and easier for them to do as time goes on.
- NikolaeVarius 9y ago
  Tumblers are a thing. It doesn't have to be anonymous just make it impossible to trace for about a hundred years.
  - root_axis 9y ago
    Then you have to trust the tumbler
    - akvadrako 9y ago
      The largest dark net marketplace also functions as a free tumbler. One with high volume and reputation at stake, who you have to trust anyway. The chance of that being the weakest link is insignificant.
      - SCHiM 9y ago
        Yeah. It's much more likely you blab about it to people you think are your friends, or random strangers on the internet with a pseudo anonymous user name that's trivially linked to your real identity!
        akvadrako 9y ago
        It's about having a proper sense of risk. It's more risky to drive to the pharmacy than talk about buying drugs from the dark net online or have your tumbled coins traced back to your identity.
- Obi_Juan_Kenobi 9y ago
  There's a subreddit for this /r/darknetmarketnoobs Obtaining anonymous bitcoins is easy: use Localbitcoins.com and trade for cash. Some DNMs are starting to use Monero, an anonymous and fungible cryptocurrency. Booting into Tails on any public network is fairly easy. I don't think that security cameras are a reasonable concern for this, as buyer targeting is rare enough, even for larger buyers. I suppose in theory. To a certain extent, you must trust the seller. If they are currently under investigation, you could be linked. They may also retain your personal information. There are ways to reduce these risks, but not really eliminate them. Overall, though, the risks are quite minimal until you start purchasing large amounts with intent to distribute.
  - slfnflctd 9y ago
    > use Localbitcoins.com and trade for cash You either have to meet someone in person for this, or go to a bank. Either way you are open to having your identity tied to the transaction. > Booting into Tails on any public network is fairly easy The vast majority of publicly available WiFi hotspots block Tails/Tor now. There may be some exceptions, but you're also dealing with the fact that network admins can set up alerts to notify them if someone is using Tor, and where. It is likely there are also logs being kept of IP addresses where Tor has been used. > buyer targeting is rare enough... until you start purchasing large amounts This is really the only real reason such activities have been able to continue at all. I would not necessarily expect it to stay this way. Also, if records are being kept of this sort of thing, they could be used against anyone at any time if other reasons to target an individual surface. If you're comfortable with the risk involved in acquiring illegal goods and have made your peace with possible repercussions, none of this is a big deal. Most of this stuff should be legal for independent adults anyway, right? But if you're wondering whether something like this might come back to bite you in the ass... well yeah, it sure as hell could.
- openasocket 9y ago
  Forget the bitcoin angle: let's remember you have to arrange some way for the drugs to get to you. That could mean providing your address for mailing, or arranging a meeting, but regardless it's in no way anonymous and certainly traceable back to you, especially with the resources that law enforcement has.

by SCHiM 9y ago

slfnflctd 9y ago

It may be what you consider 'trivial', but it is by no means anonymous, unless you are already engaged in some form of elaborate identity theft/falsification. Nearly all transactions are in bitcoin, from what I've read, and it is pretty much impossible at this point to acquire & spend bitcoins in a truly anonymous manner (unless maybe you have an IP address which cannot be tied to you in any possible way, including by security cameras or smartphone data). Law enforcement may not be choosing to do anything about this on a large scale yet, but if you're leaving a trail, they can always decide to make you part of a big dragnet bust in the future. Technology makes this kind of thing easier and easier for them to do as time goes on.

NikolaeVarius 9y ago
Tumblers are a thing. It doesn't have to be anonymous just make it impossible to trace for about a hundred years.
- root_axis 9y ago
  Then you have to trust the tumbler
  - akvadrako 9y ago
    The largest dark net marketplace also functions as a free tumbler. One with high volume and reputation at stake, who you have to trust anyway. The chance of that being the weakest link is insignificant.
    - SCHiM 9y ago
      Yeah. It's much more likely you blab about it to people you think are your friends, or random strangers on the internet with a pseudo anonymous user name that's trivially linked to your real identity!
      - akvadrako 9y ago
        It's about having a proper sense of risk. It's more risky to drive to the pharmacy than talk about buying drugs from the dark net online or have your tumbled coins traced back to your identity.
Obi_Juan_Kenobi 9y ago
There's a subreddit for this /r/darknetmarketnoobs Obtaining anonymous bitcoins is easy: use Localbitcoins.com and trade for cash. Some DNMs are starting to use Monero, an anonymous and fungible cryptocurrency. Booting into Tails on any public network is fairly easy. I don't think that security cameras are a reasonable concern for this, as buyer targeting is rare enough, even for larger buyers. I suppose in theory. To a certain extent, you must trust the seller. If they are currently under investigation, you could be linked. They may also retain your personal information. There are ways to reduce these risks, but not really eliminate them. Overall, though, the risks are quite minimal until you start purchasing large amounts with intent to distribute.
- slfnflctd 9y ago
  > use Localbitcoins.com and trade for cash You either have to meet someone in person for this, or go to a bank. Either way you are open to having your identity tied to the transaction. > Booting into Tails on any public network is fairly easy The vast majority of publicly available WiFi hotspots block Tails/Tor now. There may be some exceptions, but you're also dealing with the fact that network admins can set up alerts to notify them if someone is using Tor, and where. It is likely there are also logs being kept of IP addresses where Tor has been used. > buyer targeting is rare enough... until you start purchasing large amounts This is really the only real reason such activities have been able to continue at all. I would not necessarily expect it to stay this way. Also, if records are being kept of this sort of thing, they could be used against anyone at any time if other reasons to target an individual surface. If you're comfortable with the risk involved in acquiring illegal goods and have made your peace with possible repercussions, none of this is a big deal. Most of this stuff should be legal for independent adults anyway, right? But if you're wondering whether something like this might come back to bite you in the ass... well yeah, it sure as hell could.
openasocket 9y ago
Forget the bitcoin angle: let's remember you have to arrange some way for the drugs to get to you. That could mean providing your address for mailing, or arranging a meeting, but regardless it's in no way anonymous and certainly traceable back to you, especially with the resources that law enforcement has.