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I can see why they launched 1080 Ti early. Had I not seen this I'd definitely not be waiting for Volta. How are things in the red camp ? There was some HIP thi

I can see why they launched 1080 Ti early. Had I not seen this I'd definitely not be waiting for Volta. How are things in the red camp ? There was some HIP thing where Fiji was as good as Pascal.

eleitl 9y ago
Any idea on the timeline for consumer Volta?
- dogma1138 9y ago
  Early 2018 depending on GDDR6 supply. Seems like Hynix will start mass production on in late 2017.
- distances 9y ago
  Phoronix said "Volta desktop graphics cards are expected to succeed Pascal in late 2017 or early 2018" in https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-Volta-V100 https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-Volta....
- v4n4d1s 9y ago
  German news portal heise.de said Q2 2018.
- DrNuke 9y ago
  The GTX 1070 for laptops is destined to be the most interesting price/performance opportunity for a while imho, you can even undervolt the CPU -0.100 to -0.150 to reduce overheating.
- tanderson92 9y ago
  I was told Q4 2017 for non-graphics consumer (what kind of consumer are you referring to), but that is earlier than most others are saying. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14310633 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14310633
dharma1 9y ago
Still no good CuDNN equivalent from AMD for machine learning that would make their cards competitive for that use case
philjohn 9y ago
Waiting for Vega, which is AMD's answer to the 1080
- NTripleOne 9y ago
  it seems increasingly common that that's the team red mantra nowadays, "Wait for x". Wait for ryzen. Wait for vega. Wait for ryzen again.
  - quickben 9y ago
    Amd cpu line is rolling out. You can buy ryzen. Vega is coming out this year. Volta isn't consumer based. Go check the enterprise prices. Consumer Volta is mid 2018, so this, from a consumer perspective, is a paper launch.
- slizard 9y ago
  That's a blanket-statement and ends up being incorrect/inaccurate. The top Vega card is HBM2, not even in the same ballpark as the 1080. Also, recent Linux patches hint that there will be dual-chip water-cooled Vega boards too which is likely not even 1080 Ti regime: https://www.techpowerup.com/233208/linux-drivers-point-to-upcoming-amd-rx-vega-liquid-cooled-dual-gpu-solution https://www.techpowerup.com/233208/linux-drivers-point-to-up...
Symmetry 9y ago
In consumer terms AMD's got a compelling product for mid-range GPUs where most of the money is but NVidia's got the top of the range locked up. Hopefully we'll see some good chips out of AMD soon which combine a genuinely good CPU core with a good GPU in one package which'll be really nice in the low end of the market. As for scientific computing I suppose there are workloads where having your GPU and CPU on one die might give you latency savings that are worth it but mostly NVidia is going to keep owning that market for the next few years.
- slizard 9y ago
  The new "Radeon Instinct" cards are about to be released: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10905/amd-announces-radeon-instinct-deep-learning-2017/2 http://www.anandtech.com/show/10905/amd-announces-radeon-ins... The mid-range has a lot of potential as it's based on Fiji which NVIDIA can't match in terms of memory BW with any of their existing ML products (nor near future ones). This is important IMO because ML inference is memory-bound and GDDR5 on NVIDIA's cards is no match for even 1st gen HBM. The big cards is announced to be 12.5/25 Tflops SP/HP, so as long as it's not "tensoring" it should be in between P100 and V100. If they get the price right (and given that even P100 is currently still $5.5-6 w/o tax), it will hopefully gain traction. A lot hinges on their fully OSS (!) software stack, but they are getting things done, just had a new release: https://rocm.github.io https://rocm.github.io

I can see why they launched 1080 Ti early. Had I not seen this I'd definitely not be waiting for Volta. How are things in the red camp ? There was some HIP thing where Fiji was as good as Pascal.

eleitl 9y ago

Any idea on the timeline for consumer Volta?

dogma1138 9y ago
Early 2018 depending on GDDR6 supply. Seems like Hynix will start mass production on in late 2017.
distances 9y ago
Phoronix said "Volta desktop graphics cards are expected to succeed Pascal in late 2017 or early 2018" in https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-Volta-V100 https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-Volta....
v4n4d1s 9y ago
German news portal heise.de said Q2 2018.
DrNuke 9y ago
The GTX 1070 for laptops is destined to be the most interesting price/performance opportunity for a while imho, you can even undervolt the CPU -0.100 to -0.150 to reduce overheating.
tanderson92 9y ago
I was told Q4 2017 for non-graphics consumer (what kind of consumer are you referring to), but that is earlier than most others are saying. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14310633 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14310633

dharma1 9y ago

Still no good CuDNN equivalent from AMD for machine learning that would make their cards competitive for that use case

philjohn 9y ago

Waiting for Vega, which is AMD's answer to the 1080

NTripleOne 9y ago
it seems increasingly common that that's the team red mantra nowadays, "Wait for x". Wait for ryzen. Wait for vega. Wait for ryzen again.
- quickben 9y ago
  Amd cpu line is rolling out. You can buy ryzen. Vega is coming out this year. Volta isn't consumer based. Go check the enterprise prices. Consumer Volta is mid 2018, so this, from a consumer perspective, is a paper launch.
slizard 9y ago
That's a blanket-statement and ends up being incorrect/inaccurate. The top Vega card is HBM2, not even in the same ballpark as the 1080. Also, recent Linux patches hint that there will be dual-chip water-cooled Vega boards too which is likely not even 1080 Ti regime: https://www.techpowerup.com/233208/linux-drivers-point-to-upcoming-amd-rx-vega-liquid-cooled-dual-gpu-solution https://www.techpowerup.com/233208/linux-drivers-point-to-up...

Symmetry 9y ago

In consumer terms AMD's got a compelling product for mid-range GPUs where most of the money is but NVidia's got the top of the range locked up. Hopefully we'll see some good chips out of AMD soon which combine a genuinely good CPU core with a good GPU in one package which'll be really nice in the low end of the market. As for scientific computing I suppose there are workloads where having your GPU and CPU on one die might give you latency savings that are worth it but mostly NVidia is going to keep owning that market for the next few years.

slizard 9y ago
The new "Radeon Instinct" cards are about to be released: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10905/amd-announces-radeon-instinct-deep-learning-2017/2 http://www.anandtech.com/show/10905/amd-announces-radeon-ins... The mid-range has a lot of potential as it's based on Fiji which NVIDIA can't match in terms of memory BW with any of their existing ML products (nor near future ones). This is important IMO because ML inference is memory-bound and GDDR5 on NVIDIA's cards is no match for even 1st gen HBM. The big cards is announced to be 12.5/25 Tflops SP/HP, so as long as it's not "tensoring" it should be in between P100 and V100. If they get the price right (and given that even P100 is currently still $5.5-6 w/o tax), it will hopefully gain traction. A lot hinges on their fully OSS (!) software stack, but they are getting things done, just had a new release: https://rocm.github.io https://rocm.github.io