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For people actually sad about the NBN: this mentions that people who want 1Gbps "will have an upgrade option" (I think they said it something like that). This w

by i336_ 9y ago

For people actually sad about the NBN: this mentions that people who want 1Gbps "will have an upgrade option" (I think they said it something like that). This was from Feb 12 this year. http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/downloadthisshow/nbn/8276824 http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/downloadthissho...

Neeek 9y ago
That doesn't really help the business side of things though. Collaborating across state requires just as meaty an upload pipe.
- i336_ 9y ago
  Mmm, that's true. :/ If you have such requirements, I'm genuinely curious what they'd come back with (solution/$-wise) if you told them what you needed. (My current awareness of commercial internet is that you can currently get 500Mbps SLA'd fiber for $499 in urban Sydney. Yay? Not so much.)
boyter 9y ago
Unless you are on FTTN which will comprise more than 60% of the network and are only guaranteed up-to 12 mbit for the coexistence period and 25 mbit after. Unless you happen to be connected to a node less than 50m away (most will be over 400m) there is no chance your connection will support that option.
- i336_ 9y ago
  -_- Wow :( This is insane. We're getting laser beams, and they're literally going to be worse than cable! I wonder if NBN Co would agree to do a FTTH setup if I covered the fiber and installation. Hmm. They might, but then I could be stuck with a $200+/mo Internet bill... Shakes head ...this is just infuriating, how completely this has been mis-sold and bungled.
  - boyter 9y ago
    There is a technology choice program to upgrade to FTTP which was promised to cost less than $5000. A quote costs a non refundable $600 and the estimates I have seen have all been in the tens of thousands of dollars. About 20 people have taken the option so far.
    - i336_ 9y ago
      Aaand now I'm even more depressed and kind of infuriated. I'm just looking for personal-use Internet, and I wanted to join all the cool people with their 1Gbps for $40/mo or whatever they have. I don't even need a guaranteed SLA, I'm fine with consumer-grade "fair share" bandwidth QoS and stuff. Seems to me that the NBN Co is merely a sort of centralized rebranding that doesn't really create a competitive advantage. Can someone help me understand why Australia seems to be so unbelievably backward in terms of advanced technology? I mean, I know there are some decent tech projects here: the CSIRO's antenna array is fairly crazy, I remember seeing SuSE when the news was doing a thing on NOAA about a decade ago, if you ever see a tram's info dashboard reboot you'll see it's based on Ubuntu, the rail transport project being built near where I live is completely driverless, and NSW's existing/legacy rail network is so heavily fiber based, if you look carefully at stations you can see there are fiber drops where you'd usually expect RJ45 (!). That's just what I've seen, but it shows that competent installations exist here. But the thing is, I reiterate the above because I need reassurance that Australians actually have brains (I say that as one), because the "IT tax" and the Internet situation here and related issues are all just monumentally stupid and frankly an embarassment. The government doesn't isn't making the bold changes needed to get a Silicon Valley in here fast enough, if you ask me. (PS. With the fiber drops w/ Transport for NSW - this was easy because the fiber can run alongside the tracks; and I figured out fiber is being done to get infrastructural latency to zero.)
      - boyter 9y ago
        Politics is the answer with regards to communications. I suspect that may also be the case for other technology in Australia. The only reason Australia needed a NBN was because of the sale of Telstra as a vertically integrated monopoly. It should have been split from the start into wholesale and retail as happened in New Zealand. Apparently they were starting to roll out fibre when the sale was announced. It was politically good to sell it as a single unit at the time. Then when the NBN was announced the opposition and specifically Tony Abbot lacked the vision to see the value and believed that it was just an advanced video game system. Given the power I believe he would have stopped the build entirely. Instead he handed it over to Malcom to "fix". Malcom in order to remain on the cabinet and hopefully push to become prime minister did as ordered and "destroyed" the NBN. The result is what we currently have. The present government cannot fix it because Malcom hung his entire political career on the NBN and to admit that it isn't working would be political suicide for the present government. This issue seems to occur all over the world where you have fixed terms in politics and politicians who lack the guts to do what is right because they only need to do enough to get re-elected and long term plans are off the table.

by i336_ 9y ago

Neeek 9y ago

That doesn't really help the business side of things though. Collaborating across state requires just as meaty an upload pipe.

i336_ 9y ago
Mmm, that's true. :/ If you have such requirements, I'm genuinely curious what they'd come back with (solution/$-wise) if you told them what you needed. (My current awareness of commercial internet is that you can currently get 500Mbps SLA'd fiber for $499 in urban Sydney. Yay? Not so much.)

boyter 9y ago

Unless you are on FTTN which will comprise more than 60% of the network and are only guaranteed up-to 12 mbit for the coexistence period and 25 mbit after. Unless you happen to be connected to a node less than 50m away (most will be over 400m) there is no chance your connection will support that option.

i336_ 9y ago
-_- Wow :( This is insane. We're getting laser beams, and they're literally going to be worse than cable! I wonder if NBN Co would agree to do a FTTH setup if I covered the fiber and installation. Hmm. They might, but then I could be stuck with a $200+/mo Internet bill... Shakes head ...this is just infuriating, how completely this has been mis-sold and bungled.
- boyter 9y ago
  There is a technology choice program to upgrade to FTTP which was promised to cost less than $5000. A quote costs a non refundable $600 and the estimates I have seen have all been in the tens of thousands of dollars. About 20 people have taken the option so far.
  - i336_ 9y ago
    Aaand now I'm even more depressed and kind of infuriated. I'm just looking for personal-use Internet, and I wanted to join all the cool people with their 1Gbps for $40/mo or whatever they have. I don't even need a guaranteed SLA, I'm fine with consumer-grade "fair share" bandwidth QoS and stuff. Seems to me that the NBN Co is merely a sort of centralized rebranding that doesn't really create a competitive advantage. Can someone help me understand why Australia seems to be so unbelievably backward in terms of advanced technology? I mean, I know there are some decent tech projects here: the CSIRO's antenna array is fairly crazy, I remember seeing SuSE when the news was doing a thing on NOAA about a decade ago, if you ever see a tram's info dashboard reboot you'll see it's based on Ubuntu, the rail transport project being built near where I live is completely driverless, and NSW's existing/legacy rail network is so heavily fiber based, if you look carefully at stations you can see there are fiber drops where you'd usually expect RJ45 (!). That's just what I've seen, but it shows that competent installations exist here. But the thing is, I reiterate the above because I need reassurance that Australians actually have brains (I say that as one), because the "IT tax" and the Internet situation here and related issues are all just monumentally stupid and frankly an embarassment. The government doesn't isn't making the bold changes needed to get a Silicon Valley in here fast enough, if you ask me. (PS. With the fiber drops w/ Transport for NSW - this was easy because the fiber can run alongside the tracks; and I figured out fiber is being done to get infrastructural latency to zero.)
    - boyter 9y ago
      Politics is the answer with regards to communications. I suspect that may also be the case for other technology in Australia. The only reason Australia needed a NBN was because of the sale of Telstra as a vertically integrated monopoly. It should have been split from the start into wholesale and retail as happened in New Zealand. Apparently they were starting to roll out fibre when the sale was announced. It was politically good to sell it as a single unit at the time. Then when the NBN was announced the opposition and specifically Tony Abbot lacked the vision to see the value and believed that it was just an advanced video game system. Given the power I believe he would have stopped the build entirely. Instead he handed it over to Malcom to "fix". Malcom in order to remain on the cabinet and hopefully push to become prime minister did as ordered and "destroyed" the NBN. The result is what we currently have. The present government cannot fix it because Malcom hung his entire political career on the NBN and to admit that it isn't working would be political suicide for the present government. This issue seems to occur all over the world where you have fixed terms in politics and politicians who lack the guts to do what is right because they only need to do enough to get re-elected and long term plans are off the table.