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No disrespect intended, but this is so American someone should use it as an academic linguistics example of culture-specific communication! (eg. psychotherapy,

No disrespect intended, but this is so American someone should use it as an academic linguistics example of culture-specific communication! (eg. psychotherapy, negative third party social group stereotyping, pop culture references, second person framing of self-help advice as casual banter, capitalia, shameless and fundamentally American reformation of compassion in an ego-linked context...)

TJ-14 10y ago
Can you explain what your comment means?
- contingencies 10y ago
  No disrespect intended Please don't take this the wrong way. this is so American I felt that the commenter was expressing themselves in a way that was particularly unique to Americans. someone should use it as an academic linguistics example of culture-specific communication! I believe the example is of such a high quality that it would be useful in an academic context (ie. college/university courses) as an example of communications made within one culture that are unique to that culture versus other cultures speaking the very same language, ie. people born in Scotland or New Zealand would generally never communicate in this way. The examples list arguably American cultural traits present in the paragraph. (Edit to explain points: 'psychotherapy' = more prevalent in US culture, 'negative third party social group stereotyping' = ~all those people are <negative-something>, 'pop culture references' = vampires, 'second person framing of self-help advice as casual banter' = grammatical form where "you gotta X", or "you should Y", or "when you X you Y!", 'capitalia' = THIS BIT IS GRATING, 'reformation of compassion in an ego-linked context' = compassion for self, which is fundamentally juxtaposed to traditional not-self usage as linked to eastern meditative traditions (vipassana, etc.) and where increased egocentrism is widely considered a quintessentially American cultural trait).
  - SkyMarshal 10y ago
    You explained all the obvious parts. Now explain what everything in that list means.
  - mmmpop 10y ago
    Thank you, the edit provided what we were looking for beforehand.
  - romwell 10y ago
    Except for perhaps psychotherapy^, there's nothing there that would be out of place if someone said it, say, in Russian (I can translate, if you wish). In particular, there's about 140,000 hits for "emotional vampirism" when you Google it in Russian (pop culture, eh?). Same thing about writing in ALL CAPS: http://lurkmore.to/CAPSLOCK http://lurkmore.to/CAPSLOCK May I ask you, which many languages, besides English, do you browse the Internet in? I am curious about your the basis for comparison. ^People are becoming more open about seeing a therapist (психолог), but it's something out of reach of most people.
Thrillington 10y ago
Don't forget referring to adult women as girls!
- SkyMarshal 10y ago
  And kudos to you for using "women" instead of "female".
  - 1337biz 10y ago
    This is confusing me. What is the current PC way to address the non-male gender?
    - edward_rolf 10y ago
      That's a very heterogeneous group you are addressing. Why are you grouping by a binary gender? What is it you think individuals in this group have in common?
      - laichzeit0 10y ago
        > What is it you think individuals in this group have in common? Penises and vaginas. Since those with ambiguous genitalia are a rounding error, they can flip a coin.
      - rootlocus 10y ago
        The key (reproducing_organ) only has 2 (or 3) values. If you want a composite key (reproducing_organ, sexual_preference, sexual_identification), you would get (at most) 3 * 3 * 2 (?) possible values. If you want to expand that key to include X because PC reasons, I'm not listening anymore.
      - ionised 10y ago
        Are you serious?
    - wruza 10y ago
      PCs can address at least 8-bit segments (bytes). Current transfer minimum is probably 64-bit for uncached writes.
mmmpop 10y ago
To make this easier for an American to understand, I used Google Translate to convert the comment to French, and then back to English. I think it's helpful. No disrespect, but it's so American that someone should use it as an academic linguistic example of culture-specific communication! (Eg, psychotherapy, negative social groups of social groups, pop culture referrals, second-person counseling as casual jokes, capitalia, shameless and fundamentally American reform of compassion in a context Linked to the ego ...)
WhitneyLand 10y ago
This is such ethnocentrism smacking bullshit. It's unfounded stereotyping of a country that's I'm going to guess is more culturally, ethnically, and ideologically diverse than you are used to. For starters, I didn't notice any citations in your claims of academic relevance. Have you read papers from reputable institutions that support your positions as their central thrust (rather than a side note or speculation)? If so please cite one and let us know how many of your points are part of its central argument. Taking it down a notch from academia, even the Wikipedia article on American stereotypes does agree with your list. Too many biased Americans on WP? Even anecdotally in countries I've lived and stayed in, many people were happy to share their American stereotypes and I enjoyed the discussions, but they never mentioned your list. Some of the things I'm used to hearing: Americans are fat? Not a pleasant thing to hear but objectively true. Americans are gun crazy? Not everyone but still, there is solid foundation here. So this is not a matter of (just) being insulted, I simply call into question your ability to back up your specific claims with sound evidence and data. Finally your claim that self compassion is "fundamentally juxtaposed" to eastern meditative traditions is incorrect (I assume you meant to write opposed). On the contrary, it is vital component of some practices and one of the first things studied (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mettā#Mett.C4.81_meditation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mettā#Mett.C4.81_meditation). With everything happening in the US right now the last thing we need is people making false assumptions that all of us support the same leadership, same homogeneous viewpoints, same personal failings, etc.
- contingencies 10y ago
  First, ethnocentrism would require an ethnic group as the subject. Second, I prefaced to ensure this was taken as tongue in cheek as intended. Clearly you missed that part. Third, having spent many years researching Buddhism we must agree to disagree regarding your suggestion that self-targeted compassion and Pali metta[0] are similar. Finally, a passing generalization is clearly not the same as viewing everyone as identical. [0] http://www.accesstoinsight.org/index-subject.html#metta http://www.accesstoinsight.org/index-subject.html#metta
  - WhitneyLand 10y ago
vanderreeah 10y ago
Yeah this is nonsense. Psychotherapy originated in Austria and evolved in Europe. Vampires have a long folk and literary tradition and are not necessarily a pop-culture reference. Shouting (all-caps) is not unique to Americans, and to imply it is is nationalistic prejudice. You definitely intended disrespect. If you didn't you are exhibiting a disturbing lack of awareness of the consequences of your speech. How's that for second person framing?
drumttocs8 10y ago
You're American, huh, contingencies?

TJ-14 10y ago

Can you explain what your comment means?

contingencies 10y ago
No disrespect intended Please don't take this the wrong way. this is so American I felt that the commenter was expressing themselves in a way that was particularly unique to Americans. someone should use it as an academic linguistics example of culture-specific communication! I believe the example is of such a high quality that it would be useful in an academic context (ie. college/university courses) as an example of communications made within one culture that are unique to that culture versus other cultures speaking the very same language, ie. people born in Scotland or New Zealand would generally never communicate in this way. The examples list arguably American cultural traits present in the paragraph. (Edit to explain points: 'psychotherapy' = more prevalent in US culture, 'negative third party social group stereotyping' = ~all those people are <negative-something>, 'pop culture references' = vampires, 'second person framing of self-help advice as casual banter' = grammatical form where "you gotta X", or "you should Y", or "when you X you Y!", 'capitalia' = THIS BIT IS GRATING, 'reformation of compassion in an ego-linked context' = compassion for self, which is fundamentally juxtaposed to traditional not-self usage as linked to eastern meditative traditions (vipassana, etc.) and where increased egocentrism is widely considered a quintessentially American cultural trait).
- SkyMarshal 10y ago
  You explained all the obvious parts. Now explain what everything in that list means.
- mmmpop 10y ago
  Thank you, the edit provided what we were looking for beforehand.
- romwell 10y ago
  Except for perhaps psychotherapy^, there's nothing there that would be out of place if someone said it, say, in Russian (I can translate, if you wish). In particular, there's about 140,000 hits for "emotional vampirism" when you Google it in Russian (pop culture, eh?). Same thing about writing in ALL CAPS: http://lurkmore.to/CAPSLOCK http://lurkmore.to/CAPSLOCK May I ask you, which many languages, besides English, do you browse the Internet in? I am curious about your the basis for comparison. ^People are becoming more open about seeing a therapist (психолог), but it's something out of reach of most people.

Thrillington 10y ago

Don't forget referring to adult women as girls!

SkyMarshal 10y ago
And kudos to you for using "women" instead of "female".
- 1337biz 10y ago
  This is confusing me. What is the current PC way to address the non-male gender?
  - edward_rolf 10y ago
    That's a very heterogeneous group you are addressing. Why are you grouping by a binary gender? What is it you think individuals in this group have in common?
    - laichzeit0 10y ago
      > What is it you think individuals in this group have in common? Penises and vaginas. Since those with ambiguous genitalia are a rounding error, they can flip a coin.
    - rootlocus 10y ago
      The key (reproducing_organ) only has 2 (or 3) values. If you want a composite key (reproducing_organ, sexual_preference, sexual_identification), you would get (at most) 3 * 3 * 2 (?) possible values. If you want to expand that key to include X because PC reasons, I'm not listening anymore.
    - ionised 10y ago
      Are you serious?
  - wruza 10y ago
    PCs can address at least 8-bit segments (bytes). Current transfer minimum is probably 64-bit for uncached writes.

mmmpop 10y ago

To make this easier for an American to understand, I used Google Translate to convert the comment to French, and then back to English. I think it's helpful. No disrespect, but it's so American that someone should use it as an academic linguistic example of culture-specific communication! (Eg, psychotherapy, negative social groups of social groups, pop culture referrals, second-person counseling as casual jokes, capitalia, shameless and fundamentally American reform of compassion in a context Linked to the ego ...)

WhitneyLand 10y ago

This is such ethnocentrism smacking bullshit. It's unfounded stereotyping of a country that's I'm going to guess is more culturally, ethnically, and ideologically diverse than you are used to. For starters, I didn't notice any citations in your claims of academic relevance. Have you read papers from reputable institutions that support your positions as their central thrust (rather than a side note or speculation)? If so please cite one and let us know how many of your points are part of its central argument. Taking it down a notch from academia, even the Wikipedia article on American stereotypes does agree with your list. Too many biased Americans on WP? Even anecdotally in countries I've lived and stayed in, many people were happy to share their American stereotypes and I enjoyed the discussions, but they never mentioned your list. Some of the things I'm used to hearing: Americans are fat? Not a pleasant thing to hear but objectively true. Americans are gun crazy? Not everyone but still, there is solid foundation here. So this is not a matter of (just) being insulted, I simply call into question your ability to back up your specific claims with sound evidence and data. Finally your claim that self compassion is "fundamentally juxtaposed" to eastern meditative traditions is incorrect (I assume you meant to write opposed). On the contrary, it is vital component of some practices and one of the first things studied (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mettā#Mett.C4.81_meditation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mettā#Mett.C4.81_meditation). With everything happening in the US right now the last thing we need is people making false assumptions that all of us support the same leadership, same homogeneous viewpoints, same personal failings, etc.

contingencies 10y ago
First, ethnocentrism would require an ethnic group as the subject. Second, I prefaced to ensure this was taken as tongue in cheek as intended. Clearly you missed that part. Third, having spent many years researching Buddhism we must agree to disagree regarding your suggestion that self-targeted compassion and Pali metta[0] are similar. Finally, a passing generalization is clearly not the same as viewing everyone as identical. [0] http://www.accesstoinsight.org/index-subject.html#metta http://www.accesstoinsight.org/index-subject.html#metta
- WhitneyLand 10y ago

vanderreeah 10y ago

Yeah this is nonsense. Psychotherapy originated in Austria and evolved in Europe. Vampires have a long folk and literary tradition and are not necessarily a pop-culture reference. Shouting (all-caps) is not unique to Americans, and to imply it is is nationalistic prejudice. You definitely intended disrespect. If you didn't you are exhibiting a disturbing lack of awareness of the consequences of your speech. How's that for second person framing?

drumttocs8 10y ago

You're American, huh, contingencies?