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Which is, sadly, discontinued. It's still available for download though but the latest OS is 6.0 and many versions missing.

0xFFC 9y ago
They pressured google. That was the point. Google does not give a flying fuck about developer experience. I am not saying that is wrong or right. I am saying this was the case for Google for many years. They just didn't give fuck about the experience. But look at the timing. Everyone was nagging on google for years about slow emulator. They didn't do shit for years. Microsoft released an emulator, which was superior in almost all aspect. Just after that Google released new emulator. and now it does make sense to discontinue that project.
- mihular 9y ago
  It'd make sense if Hyper-V wasn't monopolistic. You can't run both at the same time, or better, no other virtualization host is allowed when Hyper-V is on. Which sucks.
  - sjark 9y ago
    The problem there if I am not mistaken is the CPU Virtualization extensions that can't handle multiple hypervisors using them at the same time.
    - tinus_hn 9y ago
      That's true but it sure is convenient for Microsoft, and they are exploiting it as far as they can with the Credential Guard feature.
      - mihular 9y ago
        Also other virtualization hosts on the desktop don't have this problem at all. You can run all of the others at the same time.
      - IntelMiner 9y ago
        Sure is convenient for Red Hat, that you can't run KVM and Xen at the same time Sure is convenient for VMware that you can't run Virtualbox and VMware Workstation at the same time Absolutely a business decision by Microsoft, and not a limitation of the x86 chip
- bitmapbrother 9y ago
  How many platforms does that Microsoft emulator work on? One? Unlike Microsoft, Google supports 3 development platforms and so their new emulator also had to support 3 platforms. Also, the new emulator was written from scratch and that takes time.
  - flukus 9y ago
    > Unlike Microsoft, Google supports 3 development platforms and so their new emulator also had to support 3 platforms No it didn't. If platform specific solutions make sense then we should use platform specific solutions. Not everything has to be cross platform and 100% identical across all platforms.
    - bitmapbrother 9y ago
      Except when you develop a cross platform IDE and emulator that requires feature parity across them all.
      - flukus 9y ago
        Feature parity does not mean the exact same tools on every platform. Trying to be identical across 3 platforms always means adopting the lowest common denominator and always results in being equally shit on every platform. It's astounding that people still try to ignore the last 30 years of evidence of this.
        bitmapbrother 9y ago
        So Linux users should get the shaft because they're the minority? Android Studio and the emulator work very well on all 3 platforms. >Trying to be identical across 3 platforms always means adopting the lowest common denominator and always results in being equally shit on every platform. In that case we're fortunate that Xcode isn't cross platform.
        flukus 9y ago
- quickben 9y ago
  I think you are wrong on the Google front. Google did everything to please devs. Take apple for example, they won't think twice about refusing your app. Google OTOH, since the early days, lacked so much in the Appstore, that they let all sort of trash inside. They just wanted the devs more than quality.
  - godzillabrennus 9y ago
    Wait till you have someone file a wrongful copyright complaint against your Google Play App. Google took ours down two weeks ago and won't respond to our appeals despite clearly owning the copyright for all work done on the app.
    - oridecon 9y ago
      Just like Chrome extensions that get removed without warning and you can't even get an answer of why and how you can fix the situation (submitting it for manual review fixes nothing).
    - NTripleOne 9y ago
      Are you the developer of Frozen Elsa Anna Lego Movie Pregnant Tooth Extraction and Foot Doctor 7 by any chance?
  - jazoom 9y ago
    I'm guessing you never had to use the old emulator.
- mihular 9y ago
  Well, Intel introduced HAXM a long time ago. It made it run quit faster.
- sangnoir 9y ago
  > But look at the timing. Coincidentally, that was around the same time that Microsoft filed an Amicus brief supporting Oracle (in Oracle v. Google) arguing that APIs should be copyrightable[1]. Did that Project Astoria implement Android APIs? Would Google go after Microsoft in court had they officially released this? My guess is "yes" to both these questions. Nothing says wilful infringement louder than submitting a legal document to the courts spelling out why you think what you're doing (Astoria) is wrong. 1. http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20130221153759232 http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20130221153759...
cobalt 9y ago
where do you see it discontinued?
- mihular 9y ago
  I suggested an improvement and got back an email. https://blog.rthand.com/post/2017/05/02/good-bye-visual-studio-emulator-for-android-and-hello-problems.aspx https://blog.rthand.com/post/2017/05/02/good-bye-visual-stud...

0xFFC 9y ago

They pressured google. That was the point. Google does not give a flying fuck about developer experience. I am not saying that is wrong or right. I am saying this was the case for Google for many years. They just didn't give fuck about the experience. But look at the timing. Everyone was nagging on google for years about slow emulator. They didn't do shit for years. Microsoft released an emulator, which was superior in almost all aspect. Just after that Google released new emulator. and now it does make sense to discontinue that project.

mihular 9y ago
It'd make sense if Hyper-V wasn't monopolistic. You can't run both at the same time, or better, no other virtualization host is allowed when Hyper-V is on. Which sucks.
- sjark 9y ago
  The problem there if I am not mistaken is the CPU Virtualization extensions that can't handle multiple hypervisors using them at the same time.
  - tinus_hn 9y ago
    That's true but it sure is convenient for Microsoft, and they are exploiting it as far as they can with the Credential Guard feature.
    - mihular 9y ago
      Also other virtualization hosts on the desktop don't have this problem at all. You can run all of the others at the same time.
    - IntelMiner 9y ago
      Sure is convenient for Red Hat, that you can't run KVM and Xen at the same time Sure is convenient for VMware that you can't run Virtualbox and VMware Workstation at the same time Absolutely a business decision by Microsoft, and not a limitation of the x86 chip
bitmapbrother 9y ago
How many platforms does that Microsoft emulator work on? One? Unlike Microsoft, Google supports 3 development platforms and so their new emulator also had to support 3 platforms. Also, the new emulator was written from scratch and that takes time.
- flukus 9y ago
  > Unlike Microsoft, Google supports 3 development platforms and so their new emulator also had to support 3 platforms No it didn't. If platform specific solutions make sense then we should use platform specific solutions. Not everything has to be cross platform and 100% identical across all platforms.
  - bitmapbrother 9y ago
    Except when you develop a cross platform IDE and emulator that requires feature parity across them all.
    - flukus 9y ago
      Feature parity does not mean the exact same tools on every platform. Trying to be identical across 3 platforms always means adopting the lowest common denominator and always results in being equally shit on every platform. It's astounding that people still try to ignore the last 30 years of evidence of this.
      - bitmapbrother 9y ago
        So Linux users should get the shaft because they're the minority? Android Studio and the emulator work very well on all 3 platforms. >Trying to be identical across 3 platforms always means adopting the lowest common denominator and always results in being equally shit on every platform. In that case we're fortunate that Xcode isn't cross platform.
        flukus 9y ago
quickben 9y ago
I think you are wrong on the Google front. Google did everything to please devs. Take apple for example, they won't think twice about refusing your app. Google OTOH, since the early days, lacked so much in the Appstore, that they let all sort of trash inside. They just wanted the devs more than quality.
- godzillabrennus 9y ago
  Wait till you have someone file a wrongful copyright complaint against your Google Play App. Google took ours down two weeks ago and won't respond to our appeals despite clearly owning the copyright for all work done on the app.
  - oridecon 9y ago
    Just like Chrome extensions that get removed without warning and you can't even get an answer of why and how you can fix the situation (submitting it for manual review fixes nothing).
  - NTripleOne 9y ago
    Are you the developer of Frozen Elsa Anna Lego Movie Pregnant Tooth Extraction and Foot Doctor 7 by any chance?
- jazoom 9y ago
  I'm guessing you never had to use the old emulator.
mihular 9y ago
Well, Intel introduced HAXM a long time ago. It made it run quit faster.
sangnoir 9y ago
> But look at the timing. Coincidentally, that was around the same time that Microsoft filed an Amicus brief supporting Oracle (in Oracle v. Google) arguing that APIs should be copyrightable[1]. Did that Project Astoria implement Android APIs? Would Google go after Microsoft in court had they officially released this? My guess is "yes" to both these questions. Nothing says wilful infringement louder than submitting a legal document to the courts spelling out why you think what you're doing (Astoria) is wrong. 1. http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20130221153759232 http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20130221153759...

cobalt 9y ago

where do you see it discontinued?

mihular 9y ago
I suggested an improvement and got back an email. https://blog.rthand.com/post/2017/05/02/good-bye-visual-studio-emulator-for-android-and-hello-problems.aspx https://blog.rthand.com/post/2017/05/02/good-bye-visual-stud...