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Supply Chain info must be on record somewhere - people could just boycott beef from these ranches.
by rch 9y ago
Supply Chain info must be on record somewhere - people could just boycott beef from these ranches.
- eugeneionesco 9y agoShame on you, the well-being of humans should be more important than an animal.
- rch 9y agoI think biodiversity is a net positive for humans.
- eugeneionesco 9y agoHow does boiccoting and ruining farmers lives help with biodiversity? How is that net positive for them?
- knowaveragejoe 9y agoThe answer to the first question should be instantly obvious. The second is a little more nuanced, and I'm sure the above person's answer would be a little more abstract.
- __jal 9y agoAn interest in human well-being makes no sense without an interest the environment in which humans live.
- eugeneionesco 9y agoOf course not, "protecting" wolves by boyccoting meat from those farmers does nothing for the environment.
- Falling3 9y agoIn what way does that necessitate a choice between the well- being of a human and a non-human animal? Sounds very much like a false dichotomy.
- eugeneionesco 9y agoDon't tell me that, tell that dude who said boiccoting farmers meat is protecting wolves.
- bsder 9y agoFunny, HN is all about capitalism while it works against labor. Suddenly, when it works against capital, HN gets very upset.
- detaro 9y agoIt's almost as if there are multiple people with different opinions posting on HN
- eugeneionesco 9y agoCapital? We're talking about some farmers here not billion dollars corporations.
- mst 9y agoThat would not have been my first thought after reading "the well-being of humans should be more important than an animal" - I'd've thought "oh shit, they just triggered all the urban dwelling armchair economists". On the other hand, I suspect the trend you describe at least somewhat exists, and you're suffering from the human brain being an overactive pattern matcher in any given specific case rather than being entirely wrong about the general case.
- eugeneionesco 9y agoUrban dwelling? I live in rural Romania.
- mst 9y agoI gave my guess as to who was downvoting and/or angrily replying to your post, as a counterpoint to bsder's guess as to who said people are. I also meant to type "armchair environmentalists" but too much marginal revolution and too little coffee apparently made me braino. Rural romanian sensibilities versus US urban dwelling archair environmentalist would totally explain the attacks on you to me - and now seems even more plausible than "labour versus capital" as the underlying cause.
- grasshopperpurp 9y agoI like the line of thinking, but people can't even be bothered to boycott places like Walmart in meaningful numbers.
- sverige 9y agoAnd buy beef from the places where wolves have been eliminated entirely and not reintroduced? That may not be sending the message you hope for.
- rch 9y agoI think I could find people to buy from in Colorado who are in favor of a reintroduction plan to build on the handful of wolves that have migrated into the state naturally. I also prefer bison or even yak.
- __john 9y agoI think you'll have a hard time finding any rancher who is in favor of reintroducing wolves, Colorado or otherwise.
- rch 9y agoWell my co-worker is one: ex-military, java/python/etc dev. I can't remember how many head of beef, but I recall being impressed. Come to think of it, another friend in Texas has 50,000 acres (family property) and would probably be in favor too. Other significant land owners have independently introduced me to Mission Wolf... one has Yak I think. Finally, I met Allan Savory not too long ago, and I'd wager that he would be happy to introduce me to wolf-friendly ranchers.
- __john 9y ago>ex-military, java/python/etc do you work at Raytheon in Aurora by any chance? I think you should ask him. If his lively hood solely depends on the livestock he raises I doubt he supports reintroduction. Same goes for the others ... it's easy to support something if there is no risk to you for doing so.
- rch 9y agoNope, not Raytheon. You make a good point, but I think that it's not really a life or death thing for any of these ranchers. Obviously if it was then there should be some mitigation in place (and probably for all of them regardless).