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The main issue is that the wolves are on public land and the ranchers feel they have the right to any perceived threat to their cattle. In my opinion, ranchers
by blackguardx 9y ago
The main issue is that the wolves are on public land and the ranchers feel they have the right to any perceived threat to their cattle.
In my opinion, ranchers should have no more input that anyone else on public land issues.
- protomyth 9y agoThe wolves don't stay on public land.
- trhway 9y agoespecially when hunter would intentionally place a dead horse right outside : http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/21/nation/la-na-nn-denali-wolf-20120521 http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/21/nation/la-na-nn-dena...
- posguy 9y agoWow, what an asshole of a hunter, to bait these wolves out, he kills a horse in a creek, fouling it for the local residents who rely on it & making them boil their water so its drinkable (very expensive to do). Beyond killing the majority of one of the most well known wolf packs out there, this hunter successfully fucked over the locals water supply, and gave the National Parks Service hard data that getting rid of the buffer zone was bad. Idiots like this should be forced to go back and clean up their messes, allowing them to shit all over state & federal lands is ridiculous.
- bsder 9y agoPlease tell me this guy is in jail. In a lot of places, it's illegal to even lure deer with a salt lick. And deer are common and breed like bunnies. And carry nasty diseases.
- protomyth 9y agoThe sad part is that wolves kill and eat the diseased deer for the most part allowing humans to get the health ones (diseased deer = slower). I remember a study done on caribou when the wolf population was devastated in Canada where the caribou started getting more diseases and dying themselves.
- sverige 9y agoSo, no more input than someone living 1500 miles away, when the rancher lives right next to it and have longstanding usage rights there, in many cases? Maybe they should get to have a say in how Central Park or Golden Gate Park are managed. Maybe wolves should be reintroduced to those habitats, for example.
- blackguardx 9y agoI never advocated for reintroduction, but I don't think ranchers should be able to do what they please. Why does it matter how long someone has been using a public good? I don't think it should.
- narrowrail 9y agoSeniority and precedent are legal concepts from English common law. None of us alive had a say in that, but it is the way things work. Private property is a cherished concept in the US (and, especially, the western US).
- sverige 9y agoIndeed, even the right to walk across private property on an established path is an ancient concept in common law. Plus, the American idea was always that the people owned all rights unless explicitly given to the government, which is quite different than the old monarchical idea that rights belonged to the king unless explicitly granted to the people. That idea has been eroded considerably in the last 100 years.
- blackguardx 9y agoThis isn't an argument over private property, though. Bringing that up clouds your argument.
- sverige 9y agoLands are either public or private. The definition of the two and the basis of the attendant rights matters, since inability to agree on those things means no agreement on derivative matters can be reached and therefore further discussion is pointless. Not a popular position on internet forums, I readily concede.