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I am seriously impressed with Microsoft. I haven't used windows in years but they are releasing tons of useful things. VSCode is great on Ubuntu and every versi

by wand3r 9y ago

I am seriously impressed with Microsoft. I haven't used windows in years but they are releasing tons of useful things. VSCode is great on Ubuntu and every version of OS X I have run it on. Plus tons of other cool things like bash on win; etc. Also, I have a bizspark Azure subscription and it's not a perfect UX; but man does it beat AWS

artmageddon 9y ago
> Also, I have a bizspark Azure subscription and it's not a perfect UX; but man does it beat AWS How so?
- wand3r 9y ago
  I am not a super user of AWS and have light demands as far as the console. I find the documentation and dashboard pretty decent; burnrate monitor and basic services(vm, ip, storage) easy enough. The naming and requirements-- and also the split up of resources v. Classic is pretty annoying. On AWS I was through a sea of services I don't need w/ poor docs, clunky configs and a lot of security tiers. Their pricing is baffling and I really just think it looks terrible. Azure has similar issues; but I can navigate it better and feel more comfortable w) it
  - artmageddon 9y ago
    Thanks for your input on this. I'm considering getting my AWS Developer certificate so I'm glad to have some warning about it going in..
    - wand3r 9y ago
      Again; this is my own opinion and I am not on a competitive dev team. AWS is the defacto standard; and I think learning the API keeps you out of the UI. Azure has one too; they are both clunky and more than I need but; and someone who uses AWS hopefully will chime in-- my guess is most people use the API almost exclusively. I don't have enough familiarity to judge it; have only use it a bit and a while ago
jdc0589 9y ago
> Azure subscription and it's not a perfect UX; but man does it beat AWS I actually disagree with this pretty strongly. The Azure UI seems flashy for the sake of being flashy. The AWS UI is much easier to navigate and use for me. Azure's UI is more unified though. There are some random AWS services (e.g. sqs) that have a totally different UI theme going on. Edit: the Azure UI is only more unified if you ignore the fact that there are two totally separate versions (classic + the new portal), and you end up having to hop between the two in some instances if you have some older infrastructure because feature parity is not perfect.
- cpobrien 9y ago
  I have to +1 this. Not only is it easier to navigate, AWS always manages to run pretty smoothly, while Azure's website makes my 2014 Macbook Pro slow to a crawl. It often takes up to a second for a CSS :hover effect to appear!
- mastazi 9y ago
  The way I read parent's comment is: "Azure's UI is not as good as AWS, but the instance is better". I may be wrong but I think parent meant that you get more resources for the money.
  - thanksgiving 9y ago
    But does AWS have anything like bizspark that's open to everyone? If not, it is not a fair fight.
  - jazoom 9y ago
    I read it similarly to you
  - jdc0589 9y ago
    looks like you are right. I think I just misread the parent comment.
chrisper 9y ago
Whenever I tried to use Azure, it was soooo slow. Is it better now?
- skc 9y ago
  The dashboard is still very slow. But all in all, the technical offering is pretty good and easy to be productive in.
tabulatouch 9y ago
I agree, what Microsoft shows us today is a real evolution of a software-engineering empire done (mostly) right. The sad fact is that this open-source love + tons of goodies for developers comes after decades of pain and suffering, which were not really "killing" Microsoft, but they were risking a lot. Now they're flying, leaving Apple far behind (Apple completely lacks a multi-tier engineering vision), but if they get a monopoly again... pain and suffering will be back. That's the free market.
- scarface74 9y ago
  What is a "multi-tier" engineering vision?
- icantdrive55 9y ago
  I'm almost back in. Never thought I would say that. If I was made Wizard; I would take out a full page ad in all the big news papers--"I'm sorry." That's it. And drop the Surface Pro down to cost. It would be the lost liter. I like that computer, but it's still a bit pricey for myself, and then there's the childhood memories I'm still nursing. I never thought they could turn the perception of that comany around. It should be taught in every business school. And what is it? "Just be kinda nice, and fair." Kinda honestly nice, generous, less narcisstic goes along way.
- pjmlp 9y ago
  Outside US, in regards to development tooling and selling applications to business, Apple never meant much.
idobai 9y ago
> VSCode is great on Ubuntu and every version of OS X I have run it on. VSCode barely worked for me on Ubuntu, it has a lot of glitches and just a rebrand for atom. > Plus tons of other cool things like bash on win; etc. Bash is everything but cool.

by wand3r 9y ago

artmageddon 9y ago

> Also, I have a bizspark Azure subscription and it's not a perfect UX; but man does it beat AWS How so?

wand3r 9y ago
I am not a super user of AWS and have light demands as far as the console. I find the documentation and dashboard pretty decent; burnrate monitor and basic services(vm, ip, storage) easy enough. The naming and requirements-- and also the split up of resources v. Classic is pretty annoying. On AWS I was through a sea of services I don't need w/ poor docs, clunky configs and a lot of security tiers. Their pricing is baffling and I really just think it looks terrible. Azure has similar issues; but I can navigate it better and feel more comfortable w) it
- artmageddon 9y ago
  Thanks for your input on this. I'm considering getting my AWS Developer certificate so I'm glad to have some warning about it going in..
  - wand3r 9y ago
    Again; this is my own opinion and I am not on a competitive dev team. AWS is the defacto standard; and I think learning the API keeps you out of the UI. Azure has one too; they are both clunky and more than I need but; and someone who uses AWS hopefully will chime in-- my guess is most people use the API almost exclusively. I don't have enough familiarity to judge it; have only use it a bit and a while ago

jdc0589 9y ago

> Azure subscription and it's not a perfect UX; but man does it beat AWS I actually disagree with this pretty strongly. The Azure UI seems flashy for the sake of being flashy. The AWS UI is much easier to navigate and use for me. Azure's UI is more unified though. There are some random AWS services (e.g. sqs) that have a totally different UI theme going on. Edit: the Azure UI is only more unified if you ignore the fact that there are two totally separate versions (classic + the new portal), and you end up having to hop between the two in some instances if you have some older infrastructure because feature parity is not perfect.

cpobrien 9y ago
I have to +1 this. Not only is it easier to navigate, AWS always manages to run pretty smoothly, while Azure's website makes my 2014 Macbook Pro slow to a crawl. It often takes up to a second for a CSS :hover effect to appear!
mastazi 9y ago
The way I read parent's comment is: "Azure's UI is not as good as AWS, but the instance is better". I may be wrong but I think parent meant that you get more resources for the money.
- thanksgiving 9y ago
  But does AWS have anything like bizspark that's open to everyone? If not, it is not a fair fight.
- jazoom 9y ago
  I read it similarly to you
- jdc0589 9y ago
  looks like you are right. I think I just misread the parent comment.

chrisper 9y ago

Whenever I tried to use Azure, it was soooo slow. Is it better now?

skc 9y ago
The dashboard is still very slow. But all in all, the technical offering is pretty good and easy to be productive in.

tabulatouch 9y ago

I agree, what Microsoft shows us today is a real evolution of a software-engineering empire done (mostly) right. The sad fact is that this open-source love + tons of goodies for developers comes after decades of pain and suffering, which were not really "killing" Microsoft, but they were risking a lot. Now they're flying, leaving Apple far behind (Apple completely lacks a multi-tier engineering vision), but if they get a monopoly again... pain and suffering will be back. That's the free market.

scarface74 9y ago
What is a "multi-tier" engineering vision?
icantdrive55 9y ago
I'm almost back in. Never thought I would say that. If I was made Wizard; I would take out a full page ad in all the big news papers--"I'm sorry." That's it. And drop the Surface Pro down to cost. It would be the lost liter. I like that computer, but it's still a bit pricey for myself, and then there's the childhood memories I'm still nursing. I never thought they could turn the perception of that comany around. It should be taught in every business school. And what is it? "Just be kinda nice, and fair." Kinda honestly nice, generous, less narcisstic goes along way.
pjmlp 9y ago
Outside US, in regards to development tooling and selling applications to business, Apple never meant much.

idobai 9y ago

> VSCode is great on Ubuntu and every version of OS X I have run it on. VSCode barely worked for me on Ubuntu, it has a lot of glitches and just a rebrand for atom. > Plus tons of other cool things like bash on win; etc. Bash is everything but cool.