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Unfortunately the "upping" part of the ramp is only an illusion. There is only one ramp, and this ramp has been going upwards since the Patriot Act of 2001. An

Unfortunately the "upping" part of the ramp is only an illusion. There is only one ramp, and this ramp has been going upwards since the Patriot Act of 2001. And it will keep going up, no matter who is in office.

foota 9y ago
I disagree with the "whoever is in office part". I believe there are several contenders for the 2020 election that would ramp down.
- malandrew 9y ago
  It was supposed toramp down under Obama. It didn't. The man was a fraud. Who in 2020 won't be the new boss, same as the old boss?
- coldtea 9y ago
  That's what people said when Obama was first running.
- splintercell 9y ago
  If we have to rely on the next guy, then don't you think this reveals a fundamental flaw in our system? Imagine if you're designing a system, and you notice that a hacker has exploited some issue and is causing damage, do you really tell people complaining about the exploit as "Not all our customers are going to exploit this issue, the next guy who accesses our system would definitely not use this exploit. You don't see an architectural problem here?
  - d0lph 9y ago
    America is a democratic nation, this is a choice not an exploit. It's a feature not a bug.
    - splintercell 9y ago
      America is not a democratic nation (that's like saying all bugs were written by the programmer so all bugs are features). Democracy was tried in Greece and even Romans didn't use it. The sheer fact that we have a constitution to limit the powers of the democratically elected govt means that we applied a patch on democracy from beginning itself. If relying on the goodness of the govt were a feature, then we wouldn't need a constitution (which technically isn't even a patch but rather a unit test supplied with the system, which in itself can be modified).
      - d0lph 9y ago
        A republic is basically democracy with a few extra steps added: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy
        splintercell 9y ago
        Yeah you're not getting the point here. I am trying to show you problem with your thinking about the system, and you think as if I don't know enough to make an ignorant point when it doesn't even look like you read my comment fully.
mcast 9y ago
Until we disregard the DNC/RNC and their theatre democracy (they admitted in court they have control of rigging the primaries), eliminate billion dollar campaigns, there will never be an honest candidate without strings attached.
travmatt 9y ago
So you're saying that if Hillary Clinton was elected she would have instituted a Muslim ban?
- cyphar 9y ago
  Would she have repealed the "Patriot" act? That was the point of GPs comment, that the Patriot act was the reason for a trend that has been consistently increasing since 2001 and the war on terror.

foota 9y ago

I disagree with the "whoever is in office part". I believe there are several contenders for the 2020 election that would ramp down.

malandrew 9y ago
It was supposed toramp down under Obama. It didn't. The man was a fraud. Who in 2020 won't be the new boss, same as the old boss?
coldtea 9y ago
That's what people said when Obama was first running.
splintercell 9y ago
If we have to rely on the next guy, then don't you think this reveals a fundamental flaw in our system? Imagine if you're designing a system, and you notice that a hacker has exploited some issue and is causing damage, do you really tell people complaining about the exploit as "Not all our customers are going to exploit this issue, the next guy who accesses our system would definitely not use this exploit. You don't see an architectural problem here?
- d0lph 9y ago
  America is a democratic nation, this is a choice not an exploit. It's a feature not a bug.
  - splintercell 9y ago
    America is not a democratic nation (that's like saying all bugs were written by the programmer so all bugs are features). Democracy was tried in Greece and even Romans didn't use it. The sheer fact that we have a constitution to limit the powers of the democratically elected govt means that we applied a patch on democracy from beginning itself. If relying on the goodness of the govt were a feature, then we wouldn't need a constitution (which technically isn't even a patch but rather a unit test supplied with the system, which in itself can be modified).
    - d0lph 9y ago
      A republic is basically democracy with a few extra steps added: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy
      - splintercell 9y ago
        Yeah you're not getting the point here. I am trying to show you problem with your thinking about the system, and you think as if I don't know enough to make an ignorant point when it doesn't even look like you read my comment fully.

mcast 9y ago

Until we disregard the DNC/RNC and their theatre democracy (they admitted in court they have control of rigging the primaries), eliminate billion dollar campaigns, there will never be an honest candidate without strings attached.

travmatt 9y ago

So you're saying that if Hillary Clinton was elected she would have instituted a Muslim ban?

cyphar 9y ago
Would she have repealed the "Patriot" act? That was the point of GPs comment, that the Patriot act was the reason for a trend that has been consistently increasing since 2001 and the war on terror.