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You are applying binary "all or nothing" logic to the real world, which contains many more shades of grey. It is true that technology (both social and digital)

You are applying binary "all or nothing" logic to the real world, which contains many more shades of grey. It is true that technology (both social and digital) continues to progress, and that the genie can't be put back in the bottle once it escapes. However, you don't have to put it back in the bottle. Speed limits don't stop speeding, and laws against murder don't stop homicide. The legal and regulatory system exists not to fully prevent understand behavior, but rather to reduce it to a manageable level. In short: I agree with one part of your premise. Technology will continue to evolve and will continue to challenge human society in this area. Unlike you, however, I don't believe that we have to roll over and accept the implications and consequences of unregulated privacy invasions, neuromarketing and whatnot.

794CD01 10y ago
I don't think that either, because I correctly recognize that in public, you do not have privacy, either de jure or de facto. Especially if you're not even wearing a burqa, which would today at least give you de jure privacy because it demonstrates intent. I'm sure that in the future, we will also create cheaply available opaque faraday cages that you can roll around in if you wish. And that most people will not care to do so.
- Retra 10y ago
  You do have privacy in public. Both the de jure "reasonable expectation of privacy" and the de facto privacies of anonymity, free association, and predictable rules of social engagement.
  - 794CD01 10y ago
    >the de jure "reasonable expectation of privacy" Does not protect your exposed face >the de facto privacies of anonymity, free association, and predictable rules of social engagement Are outdated illusions with no basis in fact
    - Retra 9y ago
      Well, I seem to have no trouble practicing all of those, so I know they are based on fact. Perhaps you don't actually understand what I'm talking about? Or maybe your experiences differ. Either way, telling me the things that that I personally do are not being done is... not an argument. >>the de jure "reasonable expectation of privacy" > Does not protect your exposed face Yeah, that's why it is "reasonable expectations" not "absolute enforcement."
      - 794CD01 9y ago
        In other words, as long as you are unaware of the surveillance, you are happy to pretend it doesn't exist? So where's the problem? Just don't click on links like the OP.

794CD01 10y ago

I don't think that either, because I correctly recognize that in public, you do not have privacy, either de jure or de facto. Especially if you're not even wearing a burqa, which would today at least give you de jure privacy because it demonstrates intent. I'm sure that in the future, we will also create cheaply available opaque faraday cages that you can roll around in if you wish. And that most people will not care to do so.

Retra 10y ago
You do have privacy in public. Both the de jure "reasonable expectation of privacy" and the de facto privacies of anonymity, free association, and predictable rules of social engagement.
- 794CD01 10y ago
  >the de jure "reasonable expectation of privacy" Does not protect your exposed face >the de facto privacies of anonymity, free association, and predictable rules of social engagement Are outdated illusions with no basis in fact
  - Retra 9y ago
    Well, I seem to have no trouble practicing all of those, so I know they are based on fact. Perhaps you don't actually understand what I'm talking about? Or maybe your experiences differ. Either way, telling me the things that that I personally do are not being done is... not an argument. >>the de jure "reasonable expectation of privacy" > Does not protect your exposed face Yeah, that's why it is "reasonable expectations" not "absolute enforcement."
    - 794CD01 9y ago
      In other words, as long as you are unaware of the surveillance, you are happy to pretend it doesn't exist? So where's the problem? Just don't click on links like the OP.