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> It feels like there's different groups inside MS that [...] Nadella either isn't willing or isn't able to wrangle them into all pulling in the same direction

> It feels like there's different groups inside MS that [...] Nadella either isn't willing or isn't able to wrangle them into all pulling in the same direction That's exactly how it is.

Jach 9y ago
As illustrated here: http://www.bonkersworld.net/organizational-charts/ http://www.bonkersworld.net/organizational-charts/
smichel17 9y ago
Know someone who works at Microsoft, can confirm.
- apardoe-MSFT 9y ago
  I know someone who works at Microsoft (and has for 15 years.) These cartoons are brilliant--especially the org charts for different companies--but things actually are changing at Microsoft. Some divisions change faster than others. And some old reputations are very hard to shake. But Microsoft isn't the company it used to be. There are other companies filling that role now. Example: Even though all you ever hear about is "Windows is spying on me!" I can name three big tech companies that probably know more about you than Microsoft does.
  - apardoe-MSFT 9y ago
    Thanks for the downvotes! But seriously, do you honestly think that Microsoft is spying on your more than Google, Facebook, or Amazon? And do you think your Mac OS doesn't have the exact same sort of telemetry (or more!) that Windows has? The 90's are over.
    - flukus 9y ago
      > But seriously, do you honestly think that Microsoft is spying on your more than Google, Facebook, or Amazon? Yes. I have much more control* over what google and facebook can spy on. MS as the platform owner has the ability to spy on everything. *Except for on android, fuck google now in particular.
      - apardoe-MSFT 9y ago
        Sure, I can accept that a platform can be doing more than a website and also that you have less control over a platform. Good points, both. I won't comment on Android. I already got ripped to shreds above by trying to bring up the point that mobile is completely locked into two major players that act exactly like Windows 10.
    - beagle3 9y ago
      But what about whataboutism? While this may change at any operating system update (It did for Win7 in a supposedly "security" update), my Mac seems to want to talk to Apple only to get AppStore updates, whereas Windows machines in my office want to talk to a lot of servers at Microsoft, and do so with hard coded IPs, and weird process names. Can you point to an Apple equivalent of this list? https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/microsoft-opens-up-on-windows-telemetry-tells-us-most-of-what-data-it-collects/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/micro... My browser has a strict policy that tells Google, Facebook and Amazon exactly what I allow it to; that sometimes causes things to malfunction, and I can live with that. Can you tell me how to do that with Win10? Oh, and, no, Fedora, Arch and even with Ubuntu's worst blunder in this respect, do not spy on me even 1:10000 as Microsoft does.
FireBeyond 9y ago
Yup, from my time at Microsoft, agreed. Pretty certain that this Dilbert strip was based on Microsoft too, Dogbert's "Battlin' Business Units" management philosophy: http://dilbert.com/strip/1995-06-30 http://dilbert.com/strip/1995-06-30
- flukus 9y ago
  Not MS specifically, charging between business units as though they're outside companies is pretty common these days. It's as disastrous for cooperation and productivity as you'd imagine.

> It feels like there's different groups inside MS that [...] Nadella either isn't willing or isn't able to wrangle them into all pulling in the same direction That's exactly how it is.

Jach 9y ago

As illustrated here: http://www.bonkersworld.net/organizational-charts/ http://www.bonkersworld.net/organizational-charts/

smichel17 9y ago

Know someone who works at Microsoft, can confirm.

apardoe-MSFT 9y ago
I know someone who works at Microsoft (and has for 15 years.) These cartoons are brilliant--especially the org charts for different companies--but things actually are changing at Microsoft. Some divisions change faster than others. And some old reputations are very hard to shake. But Microsoft isn't the company it used to be. There are other companies filling that role now. Example: Even though all you ever hear about is "Windows is spying on me!" I can name three big tech companies that probably know more about you than Microsoft does.
- apardoe-MSFT 9y ago
  Thanks for the downvotes! But seriously, do you honestly think that Microsoft is spying on your more than Google, Facebook, or Amazon? And do you think your Mac OS doesn't have the exact same sort of telemetry (or more!) that Windows has? The 90's are over.
  - flukus 9y ago
    > But seriously, do you honestly think that Microsoft is spying on your more than Google, Facebook, or Amazon? Yes. I have much more control* over what google and facebook can spy on. MS as the platform owner has the ability to spy on everything. *Except for on android, fuck google now in particular.
    - apardoe-MSFT 9y ago
      Sure, I can accept that a platform can be doing more than a website and also that you have less control over a platform. Good points, both. I won't comment on Android. I already got ripped to shreds above by trying to bring up the point that mobile is completely locked into two major players that act exactly like Windows 10.
  - beagle3 9y ago
    But what about whataboutism? While this may change at any operating system update (It did for Win7 in a supposedly "security" update), my Mac seems to want to talk to Apple only to get AppStore updates, whereas Windows machines in my office want to talk to a lot of servers at Microsoft, and do so with hard coded IPs, and weird process names. Can you point to an Apple equivalent of this list? https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/microsoft-opens-up-on-windows-telemetry-tells-us-most-of-what-data-it-collects/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/micro... My browser has a strict policy that tells Google, Facebook and Amazon exactly what I allow it to; that sometimes causes things to malfunction, and I can live with that. Can you tell me how to do that with Win10? Oh, and, no, Fedora, Arch and even with Ubuntu's worst blunder in this respect, do not spy on me even 1:10000 as Microsoft does.

FireBeyond 9y ago

Yup, from my time at Microsoft, agreed. Pretty certain that this Dilbert strip was based on Microsoft too, Dogbert's "Battlin' Business Units" management philosophy: http://dilbert.com/strip/1995-06-30 http://dilbert.com/strip/1995-06-30

flukus 9y ago
Not MS specifically, charging between business units as though they're outside companies is pretty common these days. It's as disastrous for cooperation and productivity as you'd imagine.