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More like strangers taking pictures of you without your consent (and often knowledge) with the intent to increase their profits and not sharing any of that with

More like strangers taking pictures of you without your consent (and often knowledge) with the intent to increase their profits and not sharing any of that with you.

baldfat 9y ago
And then able to follow you and know your present location whenever you go by a camera. Minority Personalized Advertising https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bXJ_obaiYQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bXJ_obaiYQ
794CD01 9y ago
Ethically, neither your consent or knowledge is required for someone to see you in public and remember that image. Why they do it isn't really relevant. If they use that image to do something unethical, like commit fraud, it is the fraud that is unethical, not the imaging.
- gglitch 9y ago
  Until relatively recently, unavailability of large stockpiles of consumer data (at least, stockpiles at the scale now possible) was a significant impediment to a large and probably mostly-undiscovered class of potentially unethical behavior. Do you not suppose the removal of that impediment, with no other equally powerful compensatory regulations or oversight, to at least potentially be a serious problem now or at any time in the future?
  - 794CD01 9y ago
    Until relatively recently, unavailability of large stockpiles of consumer data (at least, stockpiles at the scale now possible) was a significant impediment to a large and probably mostly-undiscovered class of potentially ethical behavior, as well as behavior that actively combats unethical behavior. Data itself is amoral and can be used for either good or bad.
    - gglitch 9y ago
      Ethical behavior isn't a problem.
      - 794CD01 9y ago
        You might even say it's the opposite.
- JauntTrooper 9y ago
  I think many people would disagree. It might be legal, but that doesn't mean it's not unethical. If a stranger on the street started following me, taking pictures without permission, and taking notes about my appearance of actions and storing it in their database, I would say he was behaving unethically. Ask street photographers - it's a delicate balance. Many people really dislike having their pictures taken without their permission.
  - 794CD01 9y ago
    That is a lot of words to simply say that some people think it is unethical. Which is an essentially empty statement. Couldn't you at least say most people and make it an argumentum ad populum?
    - baldfat 9y ago
      lawful and ethical are two totally different things. They are both related but are mutually exclusive of each other ethical != opinion Ethical has weight and you can lose your job, and even go to jail for being unethical. RMS actually has a very strong academic ethical mind (Even though I disagree with him more then agree). BUT ethics isn't easily defined. Here is a decent link to defining Ethics. https://www.scu.edu/ethics/ethics-resources/ethical-decision-making/what-is-ethics/ https://www.scu.edu/ethics/ethics-resources/ethical-decision...
      - 794CD01 9y ago
        >lawful and ethical are two totally different things. Mind explaining where you think I implied otherwise? Or why you keep repeating this despite the fact that I haven't? >Ethical has weight and you can lose your job, and even go to jail for [what your boss thinks is] unethical. For example, doctors who get fired for performing abortions, something that most of hn doesn't find unethical. >https://www.scu.edu/ethics/ethics-resources/ethical-decision-making/what-is-ethics/ https://www.scu.edu/ethics/ethics-resources/ethical-decision... That is itself, merely what Manuel Velasquez, Claire Andre, Thomas Shanks, S.J., and Michael J. Meyer find ethical.
    - 9y ago

More like strangers taking pictures of you without your consent (and often knowledge) with the intent to increase their profits and not sharing any of that with you.

baldfat 9y ago

And then able to follow you and know your present location whenever you go by a camera. Minority Personalized Advertising https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bXJ_obaiYQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bXJ_obaiYQ

794CD01 9y ago

Ethically, neither your consent or knowledge is required for someone to see you in public and remember that image. Why they do it isn't really relevant. If they use that image to do something unethical, like commit fraud, it is the fraud that is unethical, not the imaging.

gglitch 9y ago
Until relatively recently, unavailability of large stockpiles of consumer data (at least, stockpiles at the scale now possible) was a significant impediment to a large and probably mostly-undiscovered class of potentially unethical behavior. Do you not suppose the removal of that impediment, with no other equally powerful compensatory regulations or oversight, to at least potentially be a serious problem now or at any time in the future?
- 794CD01 9y ago
  Until relatively recently, unavailability of large stockpiles of consumer data (at least, stockpiles at the scale now possible) was a significant impediment to a large and probably mostly-undiscovered class of potentially ethical behavior, as well as behavior that actively combats unethical behavior. Data itself is amoral and can be used for either good or bad.
  - gglitch 9y ago
    Ethical behavior isn't a problem.
    - 794CD01 9y ago
      You might even say it's the opposite.
JauntTrooper 9y ago
I think many people would disagree. It might be legal, but that doesn't mean it's not unethical. If a stranger on the street started following me, taking pictures without permission, and taking notes about my appearance of actions and storing it in their database, I would say he was behaving unethically. Ask street photographers - it's a delicate balance. Many people really dislike having their pictures taken without their permission.
- 794CD01 9y ago
  That is a lot of words to simply say that some people think it is unethical. Which is an essentially empty statement. Couldn't you at least say most people and make it an argumentum ad populum?
  - baldfat 9y ago
    lawful and ethical are two totally different things. They are both related but are mutually exclusive of each other ethical != opinion Ethical has weight and you can lose your job, and even go to jail for being unethical. RMS actually has a very strong academic ethical mind (Even though I disagree with him more then agree). BUT ethics isn't easily defined. Here is a decent link to defining Ethics. https://www.scu.edu/ethics/ethics-resources/ethical-decision-making/what-is-ethics/ https://www.scu.edu/ethics/ethics-resources/ethical-decision...
    - 794CD01 9y ago
      >lawful and ethical are two totally different things. Mind explaining where you think I implied otherwise? Or why you keep repeating this despite the fact that I haven't? >Ethical has weight and you can lose your job, and even go to jail for [what your boss thinks is] unethical. For example, doctors who get fired for performing abortions, something that most of hn doesn't find unethical. >https://www.scu.edu/ethics/ethics-resources/ethical-decision-making/what-is-ethics/ https://www.scu.edu/ethics/ethics-resources/ethical-decision... That is itself, merely what Manuel Velasquez, Claire Andre, Thomas Shanks, S.J., and Michael J. Meyer find ethical.
  - 9y ago