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This is guaranteed to piss off the business community. I can think of two possible reasons: 1- The administration is trying to distract people from the Comey

This is guaranteed to piss off the business community. I can think of two possible reasons: 1- The administration is trying to distract people from the Comey scandal 2- The administration expects the current ban to be challenged in court and defeated, so they are expanding it to include non-Muslim countries We live in interesting times.

Analemma_ 10y ago
I'm going with 2. It's honestly hilarious how ineptly the administration is trying to pretend this isn't a Muslim ban. There was a thread on Reddit a couple days ago about how all Trump's verbatim "we will ban Muslims" quotes have been scrubbed from his campaign site... except you can still see them with the right combination of URL parameters.
- misingnoglic 10y ago
  Can you find it?
  - Analemma_ 10y ago
    https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/6a0tqp/donald_trumps_muslim_ban_disappears_from_website/dhaxxz8/ https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/6a0tqp/donald_trum...
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redthrowaway 10y ago
Or 3: the administration had nothing to do with it, and it's an actual security measure based on actual terrorist threats. Which might explain why Canada and the UK (you know, Five Eyes countries with whom the US shares intelligence) also did the same thing. Seriously, Trump Derangement Syndrome is getting a bit nutty. http://www.news1130.com/2017/03/20/ban-aimed-at-electronics-in-cabins-of-some-us-bound-flights/ http://www.news1130.com/2017/03/20/ban-aimed-at-electronics-...
- epistasis 10y ago
  We're talking about moving laptops from the passenger cabin to checked luggage, as a purported security measure. Not sure why Canada and UK doing something similar would be make it any more likely to be a true terrorist threat, you point out already that it's Five Eyes so they're our friends. Calling this "Trump Derangement Syndrome" is pretty damn nutty, besides being whiny.
  - redthrowaway 10y ago
    >We're talking about moving laptops from the passenger cabin to checked luggage, as a purported security measure. Yes, just like moving liquids to your checked luggage was a security measure. Remember that one? Tried to take a bottle of water through security lately? >Not sure why Canada and UK doing something similar would be make it any more likely to be a true terrorist threat Because Canada and the UK aren't likely to be in on your "it must be a muslim ban" conspiracy theory? >Calling this "Trump Derangement Syndrome" is pretty damn nutty, besides being whiny. Take it up with Fareed. That you think it's "whiny" does not change the fact that large parts of the left seem to have lost the capacity to distinguish normal from abnormal behaviour on the part of the Trump administration. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/liberals-have-to-avoid-trump-derangement-syndrome/2017/04/13/81ff4a7a-2083-11e7-a0a7-8b2a45e3dc84_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/liberals-have-to-avo...
  - dglass 10y ago
    The original comment speculating that this move is Trump distracting from the Comey news is pretty damn nutty.
- slavik81 10y ago
  Even your own link states that Canada has implemented no such policy.
  - redthrowaway 10y ago
    No, but they seriously considered it, and said they were basing their consideration on information that had been shared with them. Which would suggest it was not an attempt to impose a Muslim ban.
hackuser 10y ago
Perhaps in the trade-off between good international relations and trade on one hand, and security on the other, Trump leans more toward security than prior administrations. Certainly the Trump administration has demonstrated that the value relations and trade much less than their predecessors.
jjawssd 10y ago
Could it be that the latest generation of laptop bombs are undetectable, and these bombs could be taken on board a USA bound flight from European airports? Yes, per Occam's razor. Sorry to discount your conspiracy theories though.
- tajen 10y ago
  It's not the last version of bombs. There's no reason since the invention of li-ion why terrorists wouldn't short-circuit the batteries. Guaranteed entertainment outdoors, super dangerous in confined space.
  - jjawssd 10y ago
    Short circuiting a lithium ion battery rarely causes more than a fire and venting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbVHe5A6rJs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbVHe5A6rJs
- elliotec 10y ago
  Do you have any source on anyone creating anything to do with a latest generation undetectable laptop bomb? That seems very less likely than the parent posters theories.
  - jjawssd 10y ago
    http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/04/01/516285/US-Daesh-bombs-FBI-airports http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/04/01/516285/US-Daesh-bomb...
- BEEdwards 10y ago
  Except you know forcing it to be put in the hold doesn't actually make it not a bomb, just moves the explosion.

Analemma_ 10y ago

I'm going with 2. It's honestly hilarious how ineptly the administration is trying to pretend this isn't a Muslim ban. There was a thread on Reddit a couple days ago about how all Trump's verbatim "we will ban Muslims" quotes have been scrubbed from his campaign site... except you can still see them with the right combination of URL parameters.

misingnoglic 10y ago
Can you find it?
- Analemma_ 10y ago
  https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/6a0tqp/donald_trumps_muslim_ban_disappears_from_website/dhaxxz8/ https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/6a0tqp/donald_trum...

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redthrowaway 10y ago

Or 3: the administration had nothing to do with it, and it's an actual security measure based on actual terrorist threats. Which might explain why Canada and the UK (you know, Five Eyes countries with whom the US shares intelligence) also did the same thing. Seriously, Trump Derangement Syndrome is getting a bit nutty. http://www.news1130.com/2017/03/20/ban-aimed-at-electronics-in-cabins-of-some-us-bound-flights/ http://www.news1130.com/2017/03/20/ban-aimed-at-electronics-...

epistasis 10y ago
We're talking about moving laptops from the passenger cabin to checked luggage, as a purported security measure. Not sure why Canada and UK doing something similar would be make it any more likely to be a true terrorist threat, you point out already that it's Five Eyes so they're our friends. Calling this "Trump Derangement Syndrome" is pretty damn nutty, besides being whiny.
- redthrowaway 10y ago
  >We're talking about moving laptops from the passenger cabin to checked luggage, as a purported security measure. Yes, just like moving liquids to your checked luggage was a security measure. Remember that one? Tried to take a bottle of water through security lately? >Not sure why Canada and UK doing something similar would be make it any more likely to be a true terrorist threat Because Canada and the UK aren't likely to be in on your "it must be a muslim ban" conspiracy theory? >Calling this "Trump Derangement Syndrome" is pretty damn nutty, besides being whiny. Take it up with Fareed. That you think it's "whiny" does not change the fact that large parts of the left seem to have lost the capacity to distinguish normal from abnormal behaviour on the part of the Trump administration. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/liberals-have-to-avoid-trump-derangement-syndrome/2017/04/13/81ff4a7a-2083-11e7-a0a7-8b2a45e3dc84_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/liberals-have-to-avo...
- dglass 10y ago
  The original comment speculating that this move is Trump distracting from the Comey news is pretty damn nutty.
slavik81 10y ago
Even your own link states that Canada has implemented no such policy.
- redthrowaway 10y ago
  No, but they seriously considered it, and said they were basing their consideration on information that had been shared with them. Which would suggest it was not an attempt to impose a Muslim ban.

hackuser 10y ago

Perhaps in the trade-off between good international relations and trade on one hand, and security on the other, Trump leans more toward security than prior administrations. Certainly the Trump administration has demonstrated that the value relations and trade much less than their predecessors.

jjawssd 10y ago

Could it be that the latest generation of laptop bombs are undetectable, and these bombs could be taken on board a USA bound flight from European airports? Yes, per Occam's razor. Sorry to discount your conspiracy theories though.

tajen 10y ago
It's not the last version of bombs. There's no reason since the invention of li-ion why terrorists wouldn't short-circuit the batteries. Guaranteed entertainment outdoors, super dangerous in confined space.
- jjawssd 10y ago
  Short circuiting a lithium ion battery rarely causes more than a fire and venting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbVHe5A6rJs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbVHe5A6rJs
elliotec 10y ago
Do you have any source on anyone creating anything to do with a latest generation undetectable laptop bomb? That seems very less likely than the parent posters theories.
- jjawssd 10y ago
  http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/04/01/516285/US-Daesh-bombs-FBI-airports http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/04/01/516285/US-Daesh-bomb...
BEEdwards 10y ago
Except you know forcing it to be put in the hold doesn't actually make it not a bomb, just moves the explosion.