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I am using GCP and I am loving the ease of using GCP. I am wondering would Google consider to do something like this because some of my clients have 'hard' requ

I am using GCP and I am loving the ease of using GCP. I am wondering would Google consider to do something like this because some of my clients have 'hard' requirements such as they have to own/manage the data centre which stores their data.

old-gregg 9y ago
One can say that Google's "on-prem GCP" is Kubernetes. Rolling it on top of bare metal fleet gives you a pretty sweet environment with much greater elasticity or ease of management than OpenStack-like private virtualized clouds. Everything else, like fancy management UIs or monitoring / logging front-ends and highly available databases can nicely run on top of it. There are tools [1] that make Kubernetes clusters one-click deployable and remotely manageable behind firewalls, which makes MSPs jobs of running Kubernetes on private infra dead-easy. [1] http://gravitational.com/telekube/ http://gravitational.com/telekube/ Full disclosure: I work at G and a huge believer in software delivered as a service on private infrastructure.
MichaelGG 9y ago
GCP is such a dream. I love using it. Azure's a mess. Here's a lovely thing that happened. I wanted to figure out how much space my containers take in Azure storage. Once a day, MS will calc the total for billing purposes, but at the storage account level. There's no documented way to do this for individual containers than to enumerate every single file and sum it up. Well, in the Azure portal, if you hit properties on a container, hey, it shows you the count and filesize. Neato! Obviously MS is aware and slipped in this functionality into the UI at least. So I check a few containers, it works. I try it on another container and it takes a bit of time. I tab away and do some other stuff. Then I get a text about my mobile data usage limit. Turns out the Azure client portal, when you click properties, with no indication it's doing this, will page through all your files and sum them. By making requests for 2.5MB of XML metadata at a time. Everything is just so clunky with Azure. GCP is the opposite, and I'm no fan of Google.
- darrmit 9y ago
  I've had exactly the same experience with Azure and GCP. Started out with Azure and got so fed up with the crazy interface that I switched to GCP and have been consistently impressed with the attention to detail - especially with the tools they provide in the browser.
  - asytorktorkrto 9y ago
    google cloud astroturfing the worst part of hn imo.
    - tracker1 9y ago
      I'm not so sure it's astroturfing in this case... I haven't done much with GCE, but the UX does seem to be better than AWS and Azure. AWS is just horrible, and some of the defaults while more secure make less sense often enough. Azure seems to have similar options, with a less horrible UX, but still not great. Though if you're using Ansible or another management system that's scripted over the top, it makes less of a difference. I will say that some of the hosted services (data in particular), Azure is really nice... Azure Storage Queues/Tables are solid and Azure SQL is easiest to get a grasp on setup/cost of the three. That said Google Cloud is better in terms of compute with docker containers.
    - darrmit 9y ago
      I work for a Microsoft partner, so certainly not astroturfing. I just really don't care for Azure. Though, today's announcement re: Bash shell in the browser for Azure is certainly a step in the right direction for usability.
- lovich 9y ago
  Maybe its because I'm a .Net dev but everythings been working out pretty good for me on Azure. Half the stuff I do on a daily basis I can do from VS to begin with. About the only problem I've run into is having the azure instance override certain configuration settings I had in my app when I published it, but I haven't run into that issue in a while.

old-gregg 9y ago

One can say that Google's "on-prem GCP" is Kubernetes. Rolling it on top of bare metal fleet gives you a pretty sweet environment with much greater elasticity or ease of management than OpenStack-like private virtualized clouds. Everything else, like fancy management UIs or monitoring / logging front-ends and highly available databases can nicely run on top of it. There are tools [1] that make Kubernetes clusters one-click deployable and remotely manageable behind firewalls, which makes MSPs jobs of running Kubernetes on private infra dead-easy. [1] http://gravitational.com/telekube/ http://gravitational.com/telekube/ Full disclosure: I work at G and a huge believer in software delivered as a service on private infrastructure.

MichaelGG 9y ago

GCP is such a dream. I love using it. Azure's a mess. Here's a lovely thing that happened. I wanted to figure out how much space my containers take in Azure storage. Once a day, MS will calc the total for billing purposes, but at the storage account level. There's no documented way to do this for individual containers than to enumerate every single file and sum it up. Well, in the Azure portal, if you hit properties on a container, hey, it shows you the count and filesize. Neato! Obviously MS is aware and slipped in this functionality into the UI at least. So I check a few containers, it works. I try it on another container and it takes a bit of time. I tab away and do some other stuff. Then I get a text about my mobile data usage limit. Turns out the Azure client portal, when you click properties, with no indication it's doing this, will page through all your files and sum them. By making requests for 2.5MB of XML metadata at a time. Everything is just so clunky with Azure. GCP is the opposite, and I'm no fan of Google.

darrmit 9y ago
I've had exactly the same experience with Azure and GCP. Started out with Azure and got so fed up with the crazy interface that I switched to GCP and have been consistently impressed with the attention to detail - especially with the tools they provide in the browser.
- asytorktorkrto 9y ago
  google cloud astroturfing the worst part of hn imo.
  - tracker1 9y ago
    I'm not so sure it's astroturfing in this case... I haven't done much with GCE, but the UX does seem to be better than AWS and Azure. AWS is just horrible, and some of the defaults while more secure make less sense often enough. Azure seems to have similar options, with a less horrible UX, but still not great. Though if you're using Ansible or another management system that's scripted over the top, it makes less of a difference. I will say that some of the hosted services (data in particular), Azure is really nice... Azure Storage Queues/Tables are solid and Azure SQL is easiest to get a grasp on setup/cost of the three. That said Google Cloud is better in terms of compute with docker containers.
  - darrmit 9y ago
    I work for a Microsoft partner, so certainly not astroturfing. I just really don't care for Azure. Though, today's announcement re: Bash shell in the browser for Azure is certainly a step in the right direction for usability.
lovich 9y ago
Maybe its because I'm a .Net dev but everythings been working out pretty good for me on Azure. Half the stuff I do on a daily basis I can do from VS to begin with. About the only problem I've run into is having the azure instance override certain configuration settings I had in my app when I published it, but I haven't run into that issue in a while.