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I would like to add that we have been reusing a lot of the existing code from Visual Studio in Visual Studio for Mac. The code for Visual Studio is just incred

I would like to add that we have been reusing a lot of the existing code from Visual Studio in Visual Studio for Mac. The code for Visual Studio is just incredibly well architected. It is a design jewel - the core components are independent of the UI, and were already cross platform. It was a great surprise for us. What you see now is the first drop, we are adding many new capabilities in the coming months as more code is ported over.

pritambaral 9y ago
It's nice that a lot of the components were already cross-platform. Does this mean we're going to see a Visual Studio for Linux?
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tarunkotia 9y ago
My primary IDE is Xamarin Studio for both mobile and asp.net development. Is there a roadmap for Xamarin Studio?
- migueldeicaza 9y ago
  Xamarin Studio users will be upgraded to Visual Studio for Mac ;-)
0x0 9y ago
I am sure it is a nice product, but the name is causing confusion. In the last few months I have witnessed misunderstandings between clients and consultants who think they agree to deliver a project as a "visual studio solution/project", and only when deliverables start being passed around do they realize that the original win32 visual studio is not the same as the other visual studio offerings, and that you cannot just expect the other offerings to produce the win32 visualstudio .sln and .csproj solution project files or anything that builds with msbuild.exe out of the box etc.
- AsyncAwait 9y ago
  I get how this might happen, but that sounds like there are some fundamental problems at the place where you saw that, I mean if you think that "Windows Phone" for example is the same as "Windows" on your laptop then that I don't think it is Microsoft's fault.
  - 0x0 9y ago
    But what if "Windows Phone" was marketed as "The Operating System And Desktop Environment you love, now on your phone"? :)
    - grovegames 9y ago
      I think that's pretty consistent with the One Windows marketing. Personally, I'd rather have a tool that works with some of the features I want, rather than none of the features I want, because they're taking 5 years to get to feature parity. But that's just me.
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- justin66 9y ago
  How is that even possible? You'd want to specify version numbers for a solution file even if you were keeping things purely in the Windows realm.
  - 0x0 9y ago
    Easy. "We are expecting the most recent available version of Visual Studio (by the time the contract is signed)". Step one level up above the trenches and the people you meet haven't had the time (or even skills) necessary to study the details to determine the fact that "Visual Studio for Mac" is, in fact, not the latest version of Visual Studio in the slightest. And why should they. Delivering a visual studio solution should be as unambiguous as delivering an excel sheet.
tmzt 9y ago
Has Microsoft announced whether MonoDevelop will still be open source?
- migueldeicaza 9y ago
  Yes, MonoDevelop is still open source, it is still at the core of the system. Visual Studio for Mac is built as a series of components on top of the open source MonoDevelop. When we touch the core, it goes open source, and some of the extensions like Android and iOS development are closed source.
jmcqk6 9y ago
Any possibility of eventually getting it for Ubuntu then? I've been using Rider.. but it's buggy as hell on linux.
rattray 9y ago
(for context, @migueldeicaza is the founder/CTO of Xamarin and the creator of Mono)
damian-h 9y ago
> It is a design jewel Then I need to ask... why is it so bloated and slow?
- oceanswave 9y ago
  ...and still 32bit in a 64 bit world
  - imron 9y ago
    There are valid reasons for that [0]. Would you accept slower compile times and more memory usage just so you could have a 64-bit version of visual studio that your project probably wouldn't even need? 0: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/ricom/2009/06/10/visual-studio-why-is-there-no-64-bit-version-yet/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/ricom/2009/06/10/visual-stu...
    - jmiserez 9y ago
      That was 8 years ago. Surely things have changed...!
      - dpark 9y ago
        Physics haven't changed. If you double the size of all your pointers, you effectively reduce the available CPU cache. It will be slower.
- EpicEng 9y ago
  Code can be well designed from an architectural perspective and still be slow in areas. I imagine it's due to the minimal feature set (which MS defined). Stuff constantly happening in the background when you click or type something, bottlenecks become more apparent with really large projects and they just haven't dedicated time to improving that, etc. I realize that architecture can't be separated from functionality, but I think the parent was focused on modularity and the ability to reuse various components.
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pritambaral 9y ago

It's nice that a lot of the components were already cross-platform. Does this mean we're going to see a Visual Studio for Linux?

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tarunkotia 9y ago

My primary IDE is Xamarin Studio for both mobile and asp.net development. Is there a roadmap for Xamarin Studio?

migueldeicaza 9y ago
Xamarin Studio users will be upgraded to Visual Studio for Mac ;-)

0x0 9y ago

I am sure it is a nice product, but the name is causing confusion. In the last few months I have witnessed misunderstandings between clients and consultants who think they agree to deliver a project as a "visual studio solution/project", and only when deliverables start being passed around do they realize that the original win32 visual studio is not the same as the other visual studio offerings, and that you cannot just expect the other offerings to produce the win32 visualstudio .sln and .csproj solution project files or anything that builds with msbuild.exe out of the box etc.

AsyncAwait 9y ago
I get how this might happen, but that sounds like there are some fundamental problems at the place where you saw that, I mean if you think that "Windows Phone" for example is the same as "Windows" on your laptop then that I don't think it is Microsoft's fault.
- 0x0 9y ago
  But what if "Windows Phone" was marketed as "The Operating System And Desktop Environment you love, now on your phone"? :)
  - grovegames 9y ago
    I think that's pretty consistent with the One Windows marketing. Personally, I'd rather have a tool that works with some of the features I want, rather than none of the features I want, because they're taking 5 years to get to feature parity. But that's just me.
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justin66 9y ago
How is that even possible? You'd want to specify version numbers for a solution file even if you were keeping things purely in the Windows realm.
- 0x0 9y ago
  Easy. "We are expecting the most recent available version of Visual Studio (by the time the contract is signed)". Step one level up above the trenches and the people you meet haven't had the time (or even skills) necessary to study the details to determine the fact that "Visual Studio for Mac" is, in fact, not the latest version of Visual Studio in the slightest. And why should they. Delivering a visual studio solution should be as unambiguous as delivering an excel sheet.

tmzt 9y ago

Has Microsoft announced whether MonoDevelop will still be open source?

migueldeicaza 9y ago
Yes, MonoDevelop is still open source, it is still at the core of the system. Visual Studio for Mac is built as a series of components on top of the open source MonoDevelop. When we touch the core, it goes open source, and some of the extensions like Android and iOS development are closed source.

jmcqk6 9y ago

Any possibility of eventually getting it for Ubuntu then? I've been using Rider.. but it's buggy as hell on linux.

rattray 9y ago

(for context, @migueldeicaza is the founder/CTO of Xamarin and the creator of Mono)

damian-h 9y ago

> It is a design jewel Then I need to ask... why is it so bloated and slow?

oceanswave 9y ago
...and still 32bit in a 64 bit world
- imron 9y ago
  There are valid reasons for that [0]. Would you accept slower compile times and more memory usage just so you could have a 64-bit version of visual studio that your project probably wouldn't even need? 0: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/ricom/2009/06/10/visual-studio-why-is-there-no-64-bit-version-yet/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/ricom/2009/06/10/visual-stu...
  - jmiserez 9y ago
    That was 8 years ago. Surely things have changed...!
    - dpark 9y ago
      Physics haven't changed. If you double the size of all your pointers, you effectively reduce the available CPU cache. It will be slower.
EpicEng 9y ago
Code can be well designed from an architectural perspective and still be slow in areas. I imagine it's due to the minimal feature set (which MS defined). Stuff constantly happening in the background when you click or type something, bottlenecks become more apparent with really large projects and they just haven't dedicated time to improving that, etc. I realize that architecture can't be separated from functionality, but I think the parent was focused on modularity and the ability to reuse various components.
dandr01d 9y ago