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So how do you feel about Apple? When Google wins it's because they make a better product than the other guy. Apple can deliver a clearly inferior product (e.g.

by ng12 10y ago

So how do you feel about Apple? When Google wins it's because they make a better product than the other guy. Apple can deliver a clearly inferior product (e.g. the last 5 years of iTunes) and still win because their customers are using iDevices. Google doesn't have that lock-in and they still do really well which makes me feel like they're not really a monopoly.

ticviking 10y ago
I think a big part of it is that Google controls one of the single most effective advertising channels to drive the growth of a competitor, and can therefore strangle them in the cradle.
- dannyr 10y ago
  Wait Google does not allow its competitors to use Adsense?
  - ticviking 10y ago
    Fair response there. They have unilateral power to bury someone in search results though. Which can effectively require them to use adsense. I don't think this is reasonable. Buy our other product or get poor search results. There's a few really good examples on other threads here. The best example I saw involved a hypothetical YouTube competitor facing a large number of DMCA takedowns, they may be complying with the law, but the takedowns will give google an excuse to bury them in search results forever more, while they can "excuse" YouTube.
kuschku 10y ago
I consider that also unfair, just like I consider Microsofts participation in the browser market unfair. That said, I know that splitting companies until they only do one thing isn’t possible. But Google’s scale of domination is quite unique. Especially recently, as they’ve forced Android devs into using Google services more and more.
- ng12 10y ago
  How so? It's been a while since I've been involved with Android but, for example, Facebook is still the defacto auth service for Android apps.
  - kuschku 10y ago
    All other push notification services were recently made impossible, Google locked a lot of location and health data from apps, and instead asks you to query only via Google Fit, etc. Many cases where battery optimizations "accidentally" kill the competition, which is fixed 3 releases later, but by then, there is no competition left anymore.

by ng12 10y ago

ticviking 10y ago

I think a big part of it is that Google controls one of the single most effective advertising channels to drive the growth of a competitor, and can therefore strangle them in the cradle.

dannyr 10y ago
Wait Google does not allow its competitors to use Adsense?
- ticviking 10y ago
  Fair response there. They have unilateral power to bury someone in search results though. Which can effectively require them to use adsense. I don't think this is reasonable. Buy our other product or get poor search results. There's a few really good examples on other threads here. The best example I saw involved a hypothetical YouTube competitor facing a large number of DMCA takedowns, they may be complying with the law, but the takedowns will give google an excuse to bury them in search results forever more, while they can "excuse" YouTube.

kuschku 10y ago

I consider that also unfair, just like I consider Microsofts participation in the browser market unfair. That said, I know that splitting companies until they only do one thing isn’t possible. But Google’s scale of domination is quite unique. Especially recently, as they’ve forced Android devs into using Google services more and more.

ng12 10y ago
How so? It's been a while since I've been involved with Android but, for example, Facebook is still the defacto auth service for Android apps.
- kuschku 10y ago
  All other push notification services were recently made impossible, Google locked a lot of location and health data from apps, and instead asks you to query only via Google Fit, etc. Many cases where battery optimizations "accidentally" kill the competition, which is fixed 3 releases later, but by then, there is no competition left anymore.