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I find the naming "Visual Studio for Mac" pretty deceptive, since apparently it is not anything like the win32 VS environment, but instead based on Xamarin Stud
by 0x0 9y ago
I find the naming "Visual Studio for Mac" pretty deceptive, since apparently it is not anything like the win32 VS environment, but instead based on Xamarin Studio. Even the tagline is deceptive: "The IDE you love, now on the Mac".
I would guess this won't let you build/debug win32 or winforms or wpf applications, or install any .vsix extensions from the visual studio marketplace (of which there are lots of useful ones, such as this one to manage translations - https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=TomEnglert.ResXManager https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=TomEngle... ) - correct me if I'm wrong, but if I can't install my .vsix extensions, this is not "the IDE you love, now on the Mac".
- anta40 9y agoOr maybe a sort of "Xcode for .NET?"
- criddell 9y agoMicrosoft is the worst at naming things. * when .Net first come out, everything was suddenly .Net * for a while, everything was Live * they had two technologies called Win RT * they pick names already in use by others (Metro, Skydrive) * Visual Studio Code? It's not Visual Studio Sometimes they do a good job: * Edge * Xenix * Azure * XBox "Surface" started out pretty strong, but I'm not sure it means much anymore.
- mixedCase 9y ago> Sometimes they do a good job: > * XBox Oh, do you mean Xbox 1 or Xbox One?
- wtf_is_up 9y agoYou know why they call it Xbox360? Because you take one look at it, turn 360 degrees, and walk away.
- barking 9y agoyou walk into it
- markrages 9y ago...walk away backwards? Why not 180 degrees?
- ChrisClark 9y agoThat's the joke, and why it's still quoted.
- SmellyGeekBoy 9y agoOn Reddit, maybe...
- gumby 9y agoDon't turn your back on it, apparently
- sixothree 9y agoIt's always watching....
- supergreg 9y agoYou moonwalk away
- have_faith 9y agoNever gets old
- sixothree 9y agoIt was old the day it was memed.
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- criddell 9y agoThat's a good point. They kinda did the same thing with One -- OneDrive, OneNote, and XBox One.
- sbarre 9y agoTo be fair the first Xbox was never called the "Xbox 1", it was just called the Xbox.
- news_to_me 9y agoExcept that "Surface" started out as a table, which is now called "PixelSense". Oh, except they've also now started to use "PixelSense" for their Surface Book displays. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PixelSense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PixelSense http://www.anandtech.com/show/9767/microsoft-surface-book-2015-review/6 http://www.anandtech.com/show/9767/microsoft-surface-book-20...
- smacktoward 9y agoOh, how I would have loved to have been in the meeting where it was decided that the ideal name for a new, thin, light tablet device was the name previously used for a giant, immovable table.
- r00fus 9y agoAlso the pervasive "Active" brand (late 90's) that was largely shelved with the exception of Active Directory which remains (and is now ascendant). Examples: * Active Server Pages * ActiveScript * ActiveX
- rodorgas 9y agoAlso ActiveSync.
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- int_19h 9y agoActive Desktop! Didn't you just love that thing? ~
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- kalleboo 9y agoAnd ActiveMovie, which became DirectShow. (which I only remember since Apple lampooned it by internally naming a window used by QuickTime "InactiveMovie")
- mjw1007 9y ago«Edge» was a terrible name, because in Microsoft-world it already had a different technical meaning in the context of: <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=edge"> (which has now become unnecessarily misleading).
- yuhong 9y agoI think this is why it was chosen in the first place.
- sixothree 9y agoI have to say Metro was one of the coolest names they picked and Bing is by far the worst. For being one syllable, Bing sure is a physically difficult word to pronounce. You have to do weird things with your mouth. Also it means nothing. It has no meaning
- billforsternz 9y agoI like Bing. Simple, distinctive, not overloaded or misleading or overlapping. Very googleable (ironic I know).
- criddell 9y agoI don't know if it's true, but I was told once that bing means disease in Mandarin.
- RandomOpinion 9y ago> I don't know if it's true, but I was told once that bing means disease in Mandarin. Sort of but not really. It depends on the intonation and even with the right intonation (bing4 / bìng), the sound maps to several other possible words aside from "disease".
- sixothree 9y agoI know it's completely subjective and silly on my part. Just can't get past it.
- bboreham 9y agoBing means a pile of rubbish in Scotland. https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/bing https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/bing
- jtraffic 9y agoMicrosoft hired that guy, Andrew Kim, the designer who did the rebrand (if you don't know what I'm talking about: http://www.minimallyminimal.com/blog/2012/7/3/the-next-microsoft.html http://www.minimallyminimal.com/blog/2012/7/3/the-next-micro...), but he's only in the Xbox division. My opinion: they need to make him branding dictator for a month.
- criddell 9y agoI think the name Visual Studio for Mac is another bad decision like all the rest. They say it's using a lot of code from Visual Studio, but to me that seems like an implementation detail and I don't care. In fact, if it feels like Visual Studio, then they've failed. It should feel like a Mac application. My first choice would have been to stick with Xamarin Studio. On the other hand, this sounds like a significantly new product, and so if it deserves a new name I would have seized the opportunity to launch something new that's going to get developers attention. Visual Studio for Mac does the opposite. It makes me feel like I know what it is and I'm not that intrigued. I also would have called Visual Studio Code something else. It's almost like they don't want attention from developers.
- watter 9y agoI now refer to Visual Studio Code as "vsCode" since it seems to be obvious what it is if you know about it.
- arthurfm 9y ago> Microsoft is the worst at naming things. My favourite example has to be Groove. Groove Music [1] (formerly known as Xbox Music, Zune Music and Microsoft Groove), Groove Music Maker [2] (an unreleased Windows 10 app), Office Groove [3] (a.k.a. SharePoint Workspace) or Groove (now known as OneDrive for Business - the service formerly known as SkyDrive Pro) [4]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groove_Music https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groove_Music [2] https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/107963/creators-update-completion-groove-music-maker-mia https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/107963/creators-... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_SharePoint_Workspace https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_SharePoint_Workspace [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OneDrive#OneDrive_for_Business https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OneDrive#OneDrive_for_Business
- TheRealDunkirk 9y agoI'll do you one better. Before all of that, Groove was a workgroup product, started by the famous Ray Ozzie, which was acqui-hired by Microsoft, and then spiked. It was brilliant. There's been nothing like it since. (Except maaaybe Slack.)
- flukus 9y agoThere's also Visual Studio Online, some sort of cloud CI thing. Even their most successful products have generic and/or confusing names, like windows and word.
- blahblah12 9y agoI'm pretty sad about this. Most companies let the product orgs own naming after a legal check, but we let Marketing. They're supposed to do market research on names? You would not believe the hurdle that naming causes and how many empty cycles get spent on just coming up with a name. It feels like a battle of attrition.
- carlivar 9y agoProgram Files Deleted Items Sent Items They are bad at naming EVERYTHING, not just products. I still would like to meet the person that put the extraneous words "Files" and "Items" in these strings. It's so core and so, so dumb.
- criddell 9y agoWell, it had one good effect. It forced developers like me to start thinking about spaces in path and file names.
- RajenK 9y agoHi, Rajen Kishna here, Product Manager on Visual Studio for Mac. Our goal with Visual Studio for Mac is to create a native IDE for Mac users with workloads that make sense on macOS. That means "desktop app" development will target macOS and Visual Studio (on Windows) can be used to target Windows. The core of the IDE definitely has a heritage in Xamarin Studio, but this release has brought in so much more with .NET Core/ASP.NET Core development for web apps/services, Unity support for game development and cloud integration with directly publishing your web apps/services and previews of Docker and Azure Functions coming very soon. Extensions is definitely another area we're looking to align more over time. Currently, there is an extensions framework, but you're right that it's different from the one used on Windows. Definitely keep the feedback coming, we're listening and looking to act and prioritize accordingly!
- sdm 9y agoJust FYI, your installer seems to be broken for language handling. I'm getting French even though my primary language is English. I can read French fine, but I hope the whole app isn't broken this way. You should respect the preferred language and not force American English on others. My language settings are: 1. English - Canada 2. English - UK 3. French - Canada 4. Chinese - Simplified
- vyedin 9y agoyep, we discovered that delightful bug as well. We've hotfixed it since. apparently the installer wanted people to practice the languages they've been putting off.
- dfabulich 9y agoI just want to cross compile Win32 apps on Mac, please.
- zerr 9y agoWhat about C++ support?
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- yuhong 9y agoThe same thing happened to "Outlook" for Mac.
- watter 9y agoand IE on the Mac.
- rbanffy 9y ago> "The IDE you love, now on the Mac". Misleading. Emacs and Vim are installed by default with macOS since the first release of OSX. Xcode is a free download, as Eclipse and NetBeans have been since the dawn of time. I have no idea what they are talking about. Now, seriously, I move smoothly between Mac and Linux (and did between both and Windows 7 back when 7 was new) with very little trouble. Now that I keep my config on Github (https://github.com/rbanffy/emacs-config https://github.com/rbanffy/emacs-config) moving between machines and OSs is even smoother.
- kalleboo 9y agoI don't think I've heard of anyone who "loved" Xcode.
- hunnefeldtyler 9y agoI mean what's not to love? Phantom bugs that disappear after closing and reopening the app, substandard refactoring support (if it even exists for the language being used), commonly occurring crashes, removal of compiler support for the non-latest version of Swift in new Xcode versions, etc.
- sproketboy 9y agoWho loves VS? It's shit compared to IntelliJ.