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Visual Studio for Mac

532 points by insulanian 9y ago

mb_72 9y ago
More good news from the MS / Xamarin camp. A few years ago I 'bet the farm' on using Xamarin for Mac to develop a Mac version of our PC application (with shared code in a PCL); since that time Xamarin (and then MS/Xamarin after the buyout) have rarely failed to impress. Kudos to the team.
kraig911 9y ago
Is this more than just Xamarin? I'm sorry -- I tried last time and that was the impression I got. I know it says it has asp.net core but can I truly build .net web services based apps now without parallels?
- RajenK 9y ago
  Hi, Rajen Kishna here, Product Manager on Visual Studio for Mac. It definitely is more than Xamarin, we brought in support for creating web apps and services with .NET Core/ASP.NET Core, game development with Unity and C#, and cloud integration with publishing your web apps/services to Azure directly from within the IDE. We're also announcing some preview features coming very soon, including Docker and Azure Functions support, as well as targeting IoT devices like Android Things. Lots of goodies to be had!
  - sixothree 9y ago
    Bring it on!
  - kraig911 9y ago
    Sweet thanks for the feedback - this is definitely a step in the right direction.
- migueldeicaza 9y ago
  Yes, you can build .NET Core service apps. You can create new projects, debug them and bonus points - deploy directly to Azure.
zamalek 9y ago
> Xamarin Isn't this just MonoDevelop? Or have Microsoft added secret sauce to the mix?
- 4lch3m1st 9y ago
  More than that, if they're willing to deliver a port of Xamarin/MonoDevelop to Mac and call it VS, it's at least funny that they won't do that for Linux. There is no actual need for that, but since they're refactoring Xamarin...
  - migueldeicaza 9y ago
    We would like more people to speak up about this. We need your votes, your voices to make the case that we should release all this goodness on Linux. Little know fact: some of the engineers on the Visual Studio for Mac team are still developing it in Linux itself. So it already works there. At this point it is a matter of hearing your voices. Speak up often :-)
    - pritambaral 9y ago
      Where do we speak up about this? I remember when Xamarin Studio was released on Mac, and I tried to look for a Linux build, there wasn't a place where I could ask about it, except a Reddit AMA. Hacker News discussions around release time of a non-Linux product don't seem like a good place to ask about Linux support either. And I'm pretty sure I'm one of few who even hopes for it anymore.
      - migueldeicaza 9y ago
        Please support us here: https://visualstudio.uservoice.com/forums/121579-visual-studio-ide/suggestions/18433768-visual-studio-for-linux-os https://visualstudio.uservoice.com/forums/121579-visual-stud... It would be great if in addition to voting, you can articulate some reasons for why you care, add a personal touch, in the end, we would love to know what our users care the most about.
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genzoman 9y ago
first rate development experience on mac. MS is slaying it lately.
- s73ver 9y ago
  Check again. It's not the same Visual Studio that's on Windows. It's just a rebadged Xamarin Studio.
relyks 9y ago
Will this allow you to make cross-platform Windows Forms applications?
- atonse 9y ago
  No. Windows Forms is not a part of the cross platform .NET Core.
- judah 9y ago
  Nope. Windows Forms is a UI technology tied to Windows itself.(It's implemented as wrapper over WndProc and Windows Common Controls.) Windows Forms is not cross platform, and VS for Mac doesn't change this. VS for Mac is intended to build cross platform web apps, console apps, and mobile apps with Xamarin.
  - holydude 9y ago
    So this Visual Studio for Mac is Xamarin studio repackaged as Visual Studio with tools and compiler/transpilers for .NET Core and the rest so you can do your usual stuff (in any other language) + apps on iOS/Mac/Android with C# with the Xamarin magic. Or ?
  - floatboth 9y ago
    Windows Forms is implemented in Mono. It's… buggy, but it works.
    - tmzt 9y ago
      Is that the version using winelib? I believe there is now native OSX support in wine in addition to x11drv. Could the Mono version be ported?
      - hexxington 9y ago
        No. The Winelib implementation fizzled over a decade ago. Mono's WinForms implementation is managed, invoking a cleanroom C libgdiplus.so/dlyib for GDI+ calls
mcjon77 9y ago
No lie, when I saw the title of this thread for a few seconds I was confused and wanted to check my calendar. I kept thinking "Is this April 1st?".
yread 9y ago
Microsoft Build is becoming an event where hell freezes over lately. VS on Mac, Linux on Windows, open source asp.net and .net, SQL Server on Linux
- blowski 9y ago
  If Satan was forced to compete, he'd probably offer a wider range of options as well.
- deleted 9y ago
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- s73ver 9y ago
  It's not really VS on Mac, though. It's just a rebadged Xamarin Studio. I can't really call that amazing.
  - RajenK 9y ago
    Hi there, Rajen Kishna here, Product Manager on Visual Studio for Mac. If you haven't tried it out yet, I would definitely say check out the released version of Visual Studio for Mac. It has support for mobile apps with Xamarin, but adds so much more to build web apps and services with .NET Core and even games with Unity. We also announced preview support coming very soon for Docker and Azure Functions and are definitely planning on adding more over time.
    - dang 9y ago
      > Hi, Rajen Kishna here, Product Manager on Visual Studio for Mac Hi, a minor procedural point (I'm a mod here): it's good to say this once in a thread, but repeating it after that breaks the feeling of normal conversation, so could you please not? Experience shows that users figure it out.
      - akoumis 9y ago
        I haven't seen his other comments yet so the heads up helped me understand the context of his comments better.
blowski 9y ago
Anyone know what support is planned for other languages? e.g. Go, Ruby, and PHP.
- migueldeicaza 9y ago
  Yes, we will be adding support for more languages. We will be doing that with the Language Server Protocol effort that was started at Microsoft and is currently in use by VSCode and other languages: http://langserver.org/ http://langserver.org/ Miguel
vetinari 9y ago
Again, online installer only. Did something recently change something, that made difficult to make full, offline installer? If yes, JetBrains didn't notice, because they are still able to do that for their products.
- pvg 9y ago
  There are manual install instructions that come with the downloader, you can download and install all the components yourself.
  - vetinari 9y ago
    Thanks, it was quite hidden from the sight, how to get to the instructions. For others looking for the same, it here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/mac/create-offline-installer https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/mac/create-off... (You can get there from the linked page, click Release Notes, then Downloads link in the third paragraph, then "How to install offline" at the bottom, just above the fold.)
  - vetinari 9y ago
    And the offline media build failed, just after 18GB download: [Exception] System.AggregateException: One or more errors occurred. ---> System.IO.FileNotFoundException: /Users/<username>/Library/Caches/XamarinInstaller/Universal/downloads/repository-10.xml does not exist
    - pvg 9y ago
      That looks like maybe you installed in the wrong order? Seemed to work ok for me.
      - vetinari 9y ago
        How in the wrong order? Exactly as described on the page. There is not much wiggle room, launch the installer with the switches, select a directory where to build the installer, go. There's not much that you can reorder. Of course, on the second try, although the downloader caches whatever it downloads, it does not use that for the next round, it will throw it away and redownload everything. So 36 GB of traffic later, I gave up.
holydude 9y ago
The only problem I have with MS's ecosystem is their love to have a lot of concepts and name for everything. I am literally lost and I do not know what .NET/<whatever> is what and how it is used. So is this just Xamarin repackaged ?
- educar 9y ago
  This is no different from the apple ecosystem. Their programming is filled with so many jargons (talking of desktop UI development here)
  - holydude 9y ago
    No idea you might be right but I have no problem navigating in Ruby/Go/JavaScript ecosystems. While with MS I have the feeling they produce new tech and new names every week.
    - pvg 9y ago
      Seems mostly a matter of getting used to it. What's a 'gem'? And a 'bundler'? A rake, a rack, a rail, a tilt, a merb? Make sure to browserify your webpack, take a moment, don't react, have a mocha before, gulp, bowser comes to get you. Wait no, it's fine, it's just bower.
      - pitaj 9y ago
        Those are specific module names, in the case of JS at least. Not really comparable with framework-specific jargon. A better comparison would be redux concepts like "action", "store", and "reducer".
        pvg 9y ago
        No and no.
  - smacktoward 9y ago
    It is different, though. In Apple-world, when you say "XCode," you mean a very specific thing. They don't have "XCode" the IDE for Macs and then also a bunch of completely different products running on different OSes that work completely differently, which all also happen to be named "XCode." Microsoft's inability to understand how branding works is longstanding and legendary.
BugsJustFindMe 9y ago
It would be really nice to have a microsoft rep in here to answer questions. Because what I really want is visual studio that can build C++ win32 MFC executables without having to run Windows in a virtual machine. Can it do that? I don't know.
- stevenmays 9y ago
  Someone with a twitter go page Scott Hanselman with this thread.
  - philliphaydon 9y ago
    Scott wouldn't be able to help... I don't believe he has any influence at all with the VS Team. (or team that works on VS for Mac since it's a different team because it's built with Xamarin)
- spongo2 9y ago
  Hi! I'm Steve the C++ dev manager in Visual Studio. No, VS for Mac does not currently have C++ support but thanks for the feedback. One thing you could do is register your opinion here: https://visualstudio.uservoice.com/forums/563332-visual-studio-for-mac/suggestions/17141708-support-c-in-visual-studio-for-mac https://visualstudio.uservoice.com/forums/563332-visual-stud...
  - BugsJustFindMe 9y ago
    Hey Steve, the website definitely makes it seem like it does. You should send a message to whoever manages that. See: http://imgur.com/a/exQvj http://imgur.com/a/exQvj
delegate 9y ago
Does it support C++ ? To me, "Visual Studio" is about C++ development and I miss a similarly powerful C++ IDE on the Mac. From what I can see, it only supports C# (and family), so what good is it to a C++ / OSX dev ?
- garblegarble 9y ago
  Have you tried out Jetbrains CLion? I used it briefly back in their EAP stages and it seemed to be going in a VS quality direction...
- santaclaus 9y ago
  Xcode is ok for C++ (not nearly as many features as Visual Studio on Windows, though).
  - satysin 9y ago
    Xcode is pretty crap for C and C++ imho. Qt Creator or CLion are light years ahead of Xcode.
  - delegate 9y ago
    I used to think that way too until I opened my project in Visual C++ (with the Visual Assist addon). The productivity boost was so great that I've decided to never use Xcode for C++ again and do all my development in a VM if I have to. Best alternative is Qt Creator and it's probably what I'm going to use for my next C++ project on the mac. Many people recommend CLion, but I've never really managed to actually use it (and it isn't free and runs on the jvm). Still VC++ is a powerful tool for C++ development, which is probably quite hard to beat, so having it on the mac would make using Windows totally optional :).
    - beagle3 9y ago
      VSCode is constantly improving. I haven't used Qt Creator in years, so I can't compare, but ... for my uses it is way ahead of PyCharm and WebStorm; I suspect it rivals QtCreator by now (as long as you're not writing a Qt based project)
0x0 9y ago
I find the naming "Visual Studio for Mac" pretty deceptive, since apparently it is not anything like the win32 VS environment, but instead based on Xamarin Studio. Even the tagline is deceptive: "The IDE you love, now on the Mac". I would guess this won't let you build/debug win32 or winforms or wpf applications, or install any .vsix extensions from the visual studio marketplace (of which there are lots of useful ones, such as this one to manage translations - https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=TomEnglert.ResXManager https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=TomEngle... ) - correct me if I'm wrong, but if I can't install my .vsix extensions, this is not "the IDE you love, now on the Mac".
- anta40 9y ago
  Or maybe a sort of "Xcode for .NET?"
- criddell 9y ago
  Microsoft is the worst at naming things. * when .Net first come out, everything was suddenly .Net * for a while, everything was Live * they had two technologies called Win RT * they pick names already in use by others (Metro, Skydrive) * Visual Studio Code? It's not Visual Studio Sometimes they do a good job: * Edge * Xenix * Azure * XBox "Surface" started out pretty strong, but I'm not sure it means much anymore.
  - mixedCase 9y ago
    > Sometimes they do a good job: > * XBox Oh, do you mean Xbox 1 or Xbox One?
    - wtf_is_up 9y ago
      You know why they call it Xbox360? Because you take one look at it, turn 360 degrees, and walk away.
      - barking 9y ago
        you walk into it
jbmorgado 9y ago
I can't really understand the full depth from the announcement, but to me this looks like something that already existed for a few years, Xamarin. What are the diferences between this product and Xamarin for MacOS (something that already existed)?
adultSwim 9y ago
Mac is over
- dang 9y ago
  Please don't post unsubstantive comments to HN.
NDT 9y ago
I don't understand. I've been using VS on Mac for the past 3 months to develop C# applications for a class of mine. Was that just a beta? What's so different about this?
- jrowley 9y ago
  Visual Studio vs Visual Studio Code. 2 different applications with really similar names. Visual Studio Code is lighter weight - more similar to Sublime/Atom.
  - bpicolo 9y ago
    They released this Visual Studio like a year ago, too. Might have been a "preview" or something? Free for all to download though. Edit: Yeah, this is just their GA release
  - PenMount 9y ago
    And now it is Visual Studio vs Visual Studio code vs Visual Studio for mac 3 different applications with really similar names.
- eksemplar 9y ago
  It was probably the preview version, so yeah, pretty much the beta.
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perseusprime11 9y ago
Visual Studio Code is the way to go on Mac.
- james-skemp 9y ago
  Just installed Visual Studio for Mac (I've been using VS Code for a while on Windows and Mac) and first blush I'd agree. But to be determined after actual usage. Code is definitely targeted to be lightweight, and it shows. I also am a fan of Code's look, versus the Mac wrapper around VS for Mac. I'll probably give VS for Mac a try via a .NET Core tutorial, but for day-to-day JS dev I'll probably be keeping with VS Code.
keithly 9y ago
Release notes for today's update: https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/news/releasenotes/vs2017-mac-relnotes https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/news/releasenotes/vs2017-...
jhwhite 9y ago
Is this VS? Or just Xamarin? Could I do Python development on it like I can with Win VS?
srcmap 9y ago
I used to be a big VB, VC++ fan boy a long time ago. 1995 :-) Have since move on.... Tried built a few opensource apps with VS once a year for the past few years and found that I can't even compile a single Windows open source packages from github, sourceforge after weeks of trying. The code might claim to be able to build with VS10, VS12. The dependency libraries will need completely different VS version of .xml, .proj, .sln build systems. I challenge the PM of VS product try to build a few popular MS projs such as python, VLC, or anything in http://opensourcewindows.org/ http://opensourcewindows.org/. Document the process of building the app and dependence library. Compare that to the process of try to build that same packages in Mac (with brew) or in Linux. In Linux, for all the packages I like play with. "./configure && make" handle most of the the build in a few minutes. Even easier on Ubuntu with apt-get source/build commands. Very similar process in Mac. Even linux kernel, I can build it easily with pretty much the same 1-2 commands for the past 20 years.
- tavert 9y ago
  They're sort of trying to work on this, see https://github.com/Microsoft/vcpkg https://github.com/Microsoft/vcpkg. If things are strictly C++ and build using cmake, then MSVC is okay. Anything autotools or relying on inline assembly or overly complicated makefiles or scientific code that still depends on Fortran numerical libraries is a mess though. Much easier to use mingw-w64 gcc for those - bonus is you can cross compile and not have to do dev on Windows, just test the binaries.
- voltagex_ 9y ago
  Give me a couple of examples? Python is tied to an older Visual Studio normally. VS12 was different for reasons I can't remember but anything from VS13 onwards (for desktop) should build fine.
  - tavert 9y ago
    Try compiling SciPy from source using Microsoft dev tools. Or libgmp, the standard library for arbitrary precision integer arithmetic.
nobleach 9y ago
I sincerely would LOVE to have an F# development IDE that didn't ask me to install Mono. I don't have anything against Mono, per se, I just want to see that Microsoft officially supports it across the three major platforms.
satysin 9y ago
I really wish Microsoft had made UWP cross-platform. Would be pretty amazing if I could use UWP/C# to target Windows, Linux, macOS, iOS and Android properly. With UWP being limited to just Windows I don't see it ever being a success.
- eberkund 9y ago
  Why? UWP is the future of application development on Windows. That's like saying Cocoa will never be a success. Also if you can make UWP apps, you can make Xamarin apps which are cross platform (for mobile at least).
  - donblas33 9y ago
    Xamarin.Forms support for macOS is in preview: https://blog.xamarin.com/preview-bringing-macos-to-xamarin-forms/ https://blog.xamarin.com/preview-bringing-macos-to-xamarin-f...
  - simooooo 9y ago
    It would be cool to have that display engine on other platforms though..
  - flukus 9y ago
    UWP doesn't allow enough system access to ever be the future of Windows. At best it's the future of a locked down toy version of windows.
    - ThrowawayR2 9y ago
      > UWP doesn't allow enough system access to ever be the future of Windows. That's kind of the point. Most apps don't need unfettered system access and many (most?) app authors aren't capable of writing an app that's secure anyway; one of the biggest attack vectors today is through apps.
      - flukus 9y ago
        UWP won't replace win32 until it can handle all apps, not just most apps.
mixedCase 9y ago
Again? I've seen the announcement for its release three times on HN. And before someone mentions it, no I'm not confusing it with VS Code. I mean "Visual Studio for Mac", the Xamarin Studio fork.
- RajenK 9y ago
  Hi there, we actually released the product today, so it's generally available and fully supported. Hope that clears things up!
wkirby 9y ago
Is the installer in Chinese for anyone else?
- vetinari 9y ago
  There is something fishy going on, for me, it was in Russian.
- yangcheng 9y ago
  I got a mix of Chinese and English.
itsdrewmiller 9y ago
Let me know when this supports .NET 4.
jot 9y ago
Almost 10 years since I exchanged emails with Steve Ballmer about this: https://medium.com/@jot/me-and-steve-ballmer-in-2007-68456a554d41 https://medium.com/@jot/me-and-steve-ballmer-in-2007-68456a5...
- migueldeicaza 9y ago
  We are under new management :-)
- swozey 9y ago
  Haha, I love his reply. Sounds just like my investor. I've worked with him for 10 years and got to the point where I do my best to send yes or no questions and no more than a paragraph. I'd spend even more time writing it as I'd try to condense everything critical into basically a few bullet points for him to digest along with his other 200k emails a day.
- Joeri 9y ago
  I'm surprised he even replied at all, given that he must have received several thousand emails that day, and this one was ... rather long.
  - deleted 9y ago
    [deleted]
  - simonswords82 9y ago
    I wonder if it's Steve responding at all. His PA probably co-managed his inbox and would read and respond to this type of e-mail. Perhaps they also only forward on emails to Steve's "priority" inbox if they're worthy of his time?
    - toong 9y ago
      Would his PA reply to emails on a Sunday at 11:32 PM ?
      - 9y ago
dohboy 9y ago
Same strategy as always. Rebrand current products and call it new. This is not Visual Studio as known from Windows but Xamarin Studio rebranded. Title should be Microsoft release Xamarin update...
- Sammi 9y ago
  In fairness it seems like a pretty big update.
alex_suzuki 9y ago
Any chance we're going to get a Hololens development environment for the Mac anytime soon?
fotbr 9y ago
Since there's a PM here from Microsoft, I've got a couple questions regarding the requirement to "sign in with your Microsoft account": With all your branding changes over the years, what's considered a Microsoft account today? My old Hotmail account, that existed from the days before Microsoft bought Hotmail? I think it's still alive, but I haven't logged in in the better part of a decade to find out. The accounts created over the years for various Xbox machines? I think those are still around, but I doubt I could get into them at this point. The "Live" account I had to create for MSDN many years ago? Once that job and associated need for MSDN ended I've not logged in to see if it's still around. Which one(s) should I try to find login information for to use? Furthermore, why must I sign in in the first place for the free version? I can understand signing in to associate the install with a paid version with extra features, but I see no reason to require it for free versions without any paid features.
- BugsJustFindMe 9y ago
  > My old Hotmail account, that existed from the days before Microsoft bought Hotmail? I think it's still alive, but I haven't logged in in the better part of a decade to find out. I have some bad news for you... This is literally the reason I signed up with gmail when it came out. Microsoft used to have a log-in-within-30-days-or-we-delete-everything policy for Hotmail. Maybe it was even 90 days.
  - umeshunni 9y ago
    It was 30 days as I found out the hard way sometimes in the early 2000s while traveling with no internet access for 2 months.
    - bredren 9y ago
      I too, lost data from this policy.
- legohead 9y ago
  I've essentially lost my Microsoft account. My password doesn't work, and it wont email me the security code. I try the "alternate email" option, which does work, but when I answer the validation questions it fails -- doesn't believe I am who I say I am, I guess. And when I try to contact support, it wont let me contact a person unless I login to my Microsoft account...
legohead 9y ago
Crashes during install process for me. :\ Looks like during Xamarin installation: /Users/USER/Downloads/Install Visual Studio.app/Contents/MacOS/Install_Xamarin - Terminating app due to uncaught exception 'NSInvalidArgumentException', reason: '-[NSScrollView heightAnchor]: unrecognized selector sent to instance 0x6080003c0870' Bummer.
- therzok 9y ago
  Do you have macOS at least 10.11?
  - carreau 9y ago
    Does not matter. If it's incompatible with the OS it should say so and not crash.
    - vyedin 9y ago
      we shipped a fix for this Friday :)
      - carreau 9y ago
        <3
exabrial 9y ago
I don't even know what's real anymore...
kapuru 9y ago
Any .NET MVC developers here? I always wanted to learn ASP MVC, but never did because I was scared of the deployment situation on Linux. Has anything changed in that regard? Would you say deploying a .NET web app works almost as smooth on Linux as let's say a node.js app?
- mihular 9y ago
  I've deployed some webapi projects using docker. Very straightforward. I assume it should work nice if deployed directly.
rcarmo 9y ago
I've been waiting for this for a while. Only trouble so far is that the installer comes up in the wrong locale for me (it ignores the language ordering in Preferences and displays the installer in my secondary/input language, not English, unlike fully native apps).
- vyedin 9y ago
  that's been fixed since :)
jhasse 9y ago
This is still using GTK+ (3?), right? How did they manage to integrate the buttons in the title bar with it?
- therzok 9y ago
  Visual Studio for Mac's shell code is written in gtk+ 2. We have supporting code in gtk+ to allow mixing gtk widgets with native widgets. But the glue code isn't used here, because there is another interesting mechanism at play. The root window created by gtk on macOS is actually an NSWindow (see GdkQuartzWindow), thus you can use Cocoa APIs on the window. We just set the title visibility to hidden and set the native titlebar widget.
  - jhasse 9y ago
    Nice! Thanks for the explanation. Do you plan to port to GTK 3 in the future? Does version 2 even have HiDPI support?
    - therzok 9y ago
      We have some glue code to workaround lack of retina/hidpi support in gtk+. Yes, having Gtk UI running on Gtk 3 is something we want to have at some point.
      - 0xFFC 9y ago
        This is the most unbelievable thing. Even WSL was kinda okay to imagine. But Microsoft and Gtk? I thought after buying Xamarin they would replace Gtk part.
        tmsldd 9y ago
        Unbelievable :D
      - jhasse 9y ago
        Awesome! Thank you for still keeping up with GTK+ and hopefully also improving its support on macOS and Windows along the way. > lack of retina/hidpi support in gtk+. You should phrase this as "support in gtk+ 2", because since version 3 GTK+ supports HiDPI :)
baltcode 9y ago
Is there any way to run this/download a compatible version for OSX 10.9?
- therzok 9y ago
  Visual Studio for Mac requires OSX 10.11+.
  - baltcode 9y ago
    I know ... am I the only one facing this predicament? I have an early 2009 Mac Pro with OSX 10.9. I don't want to break anything so I haven't updated to Sierra but more and more apps are incompatible with my computer now.
    - wila 9y ago
      Run it in a VM, that way you can keep your main machine on 10.9 and experiment in the VM with things like this. I guess you already know that 10.9 is no longer supported, so you might want to consider to at least update to 10.10.
minhoryang 9y ago
So beautiful!
DeepYogurt 9y ago
Hit download and get a popup for a free 60 day course. No thanks.
bitmapbrother 9y ago
Does Visual Studio for Mac have the same functionality as Visual Studio for Windows? If not then they should really stop confusing customers by rebranding a product that had nothing to do with Visual Studio for Windows.
JohnnyConatus 9y ago
Is VS for Mac recommended for typescript development? I'm using VS code right now.
Clobbersmith 9y ago
Is there a reason why the installer is in french? My preferred language is set to english.
- kosinus 9y ago
  You're not alone: https://twitter.com/brianbondy/status/862368140369567744 https://twitter.com/brianbondy/status/862368140369567744
- tomku 9y ago
  Definitely something wrong with the installer's language selection, got a Japanese installer when my primary MacOS language is English. Fortunately the installed app seems to respect the language setting.
- vyedin 9y ago
  No, you're not alone, but we've fixed it since. The new installer builds will choose the correct language.
zzbzq 9y ago
Coincidentally I was just using this & Xamarin Studio on mac today. I didn't realize VS Mac had released, I already had the beta. So far I don't like it as much! Not sure what features are here I actually care about as I'm just using Mono. The pads no longer make sense in VS for Mac. I just have debug pads open all the time. I can't really tell when I've stopped debugging. There's weird buttons on the pads that do nothing. Not sure why all the clutter is here, Xamarin Studio had this stuff figured out.
EGreg 9y ago
Can this do PHP and Javascript / Web Development? Objective C? Swift?
avenoir 9y ago
Is anybody doing professional development on .NET using VS for Mac? All this time i thought it was just Xamarin tools, but it looks like it actually has .NET Core project templates too. This has been the only thing that kept me away from Macs as a .NET dev.
gaza3g 9y ago
I'm currently working on an MVC5 project on .NET 4.6.1 using VS2015 on Windows. Can I load my solution on VS for Mac and have it work out of the box(restoring nuget packages...etc)?
gaius 9y ago
Bring back CodeWarrior I say
fleshweasel 9y ago
They're promoting this as a new dev environment for .NET Core, but there's still ZERO tooling for Razor. I tried starting a simple example project and the .cshtml files didn't even have any syntax highlighting, let alone syntax/type checking. I don't know how you work on cross-platform ASP.NET for this long and still not have the tooling for your templating engine ported.
- thom 9y ago
  Maybe the devs are busy switching project format every couple of months?
nexoman 9y ago
Wanted to try it but installer crashes on OSX Yosemite 10.10.5
- vyedin 9y ago
  This has been fixed - but be aware that VS for Mac requires 10.11 (el cap) as minimum
nexoman 9y ago
Wanted to try it but installer crashes on OSX Yosemite 10.10.5

532 points by insulanian 9y ago

More good news from the MS / Xamarin camp. A few years ago I 'bet the farm' on using Xamarin for Mac to develop a Mac version of our PC application (with shared code in a PCL); since that time Xamarin (and then MS/Xamarin after the buyout) have rarely failed to impress. Kudos to the team.

kraig911 9y ago

Is this more than just Xamarin? I'm sorry -- I tried last time and that was the impression I got. I know it says it has asp.net core but can I truly build .net web services based apps now without parallels?

RajenK 9y ago
Hi, Rajen Kishna here, Product Manager on Visual Studio for Mac. It definitely is more than Xamarin, we brought in support for creating web apps and services with .NET Core/ASP.NET Core, game development with Unity and C#, and cloud integration with publishing your web apps/services to Azure directly from within the IDE. We're also announcing some preview features coming very soon, including Docker and Azure Functions support, as well as targeting IoT devices like Android Things. Lots of goodies to be had!
- sixothree 9y ago
  Bring it on!
- kraig911 9y ago
  Sweet thanks for the feedback - this is definitely a step in the right direction.
migueldeicaza 9y ago
Yes, you can build .NET Core service apps. You can create new projects, debug them and bonus points - deploy directly to Azure.

zamalek 9y ago

> Xamarin Isn't this just MonoDevelop? Or have Microsoft added secret sauce to the mix?

4lch3m1st 9y ago
More than that, if they're willing to deliver a port of Xamarin/MonoDevelop to Mac and call it VS, it's at least funny that they won't do that for Linux. There is no actual need for that, but since they're refactoring Xamarin...
- migueldeicaza 9y ago
  We would like more people to speak up about this. We need your votes, your voices to make the case that we should release all this goodness on Linux. Little know fact: some of the engineers on the Visual Studio for Mac team are still developing it in Linux itself. So it already works there. At this point it is a matter of hearing your voices. Speak up often :-)
  - pritambaral 9y ago
    Where do we speak up about this? I remember when Xamarin Studio was released on Mac, and I tried to look for a Linux build, there wasn't a place where I could ask about it, except a Reddit AMA. Hacker News discussions around release time of a non-Linux product don't seem like a good place to ask about Linux support either. And I'm pretty sure I'm one of few who even hopes for it anymore.
    - migueldeicaza 9y ago
      Please support us here: https://visualstudio.uservoice.com/forums/121579-visual-studio-ide/suggestions/18433768-visual-studio-for-linux-os https://visualstudio.uservoice.com/forums/121579-visual-stud... It would be great if in addition to voting, you can articulate some reasons for why you care, add a personal touch, in the end, we would love to know what our users care the most about.
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genzoman 9y ago

first rate development experience on mac. MS is slaying it lately.

s73ver 9y ago
Check again. It's not the same Visual Studio that's on Windows. It's just a rebadged Xamarin Studio.

relyks 9y ago

Will this allow you to make cross-platform Windows Forms applications?

atonse 9y ago
No. Windows Forms is not a part of the cross platform .NET Core.
judah 9y ago
Nope. Windows Forms is a UI technology tied to Windows itself.(It's implemented as wrapper over WndProc and Windows Common Controls.) Windows Forms is not cross platform, and VS for Mac doesn't change this. VS for Mac is intended to build cross platform web apps, console apps, and mobile apps with Xamarin.
- holydude 9y ago
  So this Visual Studio for Mac is Xamarin studio repackaged as Visual Studio with tools and compiler/transpilers for .NET Core and the rest so you can do your usual stuff (in any other language) + apps on iOS/Mac/Android with C# with the Xamarin magic. Or ?
- floatboth 9y ago
  Windows Forms is implemented in Mono. It's… buggy, but it works.
  - tmzt 9y ago
    Is that the version using winelib? I believe there is now native OSX support in wine in addition to x11drv. Could the Mono version be ported?
    - hexxington 9y ago
      No. The Winelib implementation fizzled over a decade ago. Mono's WinForms implementation is managed, invoking a cleanroom C libgdiplus.so/dlyib for GDI+ calls

mcjon77 9y ago

No lie, when I saw the title of this thread for a few seconds I was confused and wanted to check my calendar. I kept thinking "Is this April 1st?".

yread 9y ago

Microsoft Build is becoming an event where hell freezes over lately. VS on Mac, Linux on Windows, open source asp.net and .net, SQL Server on Linux

blowski 9y ago
If Satan was forced to compete, he'd probably offer a wider range of options as well.
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s73ver 9y ago
It's not really VS on Mac, though. It's just a rebadged Xamarin Studio. I can't really call that amazing.
- RajenK 9y ago
  Hi there, Rajen Kishna here, Product Manager on Visual Studio for Mac. If you haven't tried it out yet, I would definitely say check out the released version of Visual Studio for Mac. It has support for mobile apps with Xamarin, but adds so much more to build web apps and services with .NET Core and even games with Unity. We also announced preview support coming very soon for Docker and Azure Functions and are definitely planning on adding more over time.
  - dang 9y ago
    > Hi, Rajen Kishna here, Product Manager on Visual Studio for Mac Hi, a minor procedural point (I'm a mod here): it's good to say this once in a thread, but repeating it after that breaks the feeling of normal conversation, so could you please not? Experience shows that users figure it out.
    - akoumis 9y ago
      I haven't seen his other comments yet so the heads up helped me understand the context of his comments better.

blowski 9y ago

Anyone know what support is planned for other languages? e.g. Go, Ruby, and PHP.

migueldeicaza 9y ago
Yes, we will be adding support for more languages. We will be doing that with the Language Server Protocol effort that was started at Microsoft and is currently in use by VSCode and other languages: http://langserver.org/ http://langserver.org/ Miguel

vetinari 9y ago

Again, online installer only. Did something recently change something, that made difficult to make full, offline installer? If yes, JetBrains didn't notice, because they are still able to do that for their products.

pvg 9y ago
There are manual install instructions that come with the downloader, you can download and install all the components yourself.
- vetinari 9y ago
  Thanks, it was quite hidden from the sight, how to get to the instructions. For others looking for the same, it here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/mac/create-offline-installer https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/mac/create-off... (You can get there from the linked page, click Release Notes, then Downloads link in the third paragraph, then "How to install offline" at the bottom, just above the fold.)
- vetinari 9y ago
  And the offline media build failed, just after 18GB download: [Exception] System.AggregateException: One or more errors occurred. ---> System.IO.FileNotFoundException: /Users/<username>/Library/Caches/XamarinInstaller/Universal/downloads/repository-10.xml does not exist
  - pvg 9y ago
    That looks like maybe you installed in the wrong order? Seemed to work ok for me.
    - vetinari 9y ago
      How in the wrong order? Exactly as described on the page. There is not much wiggle room, launch the installer with the switches, select a directory where to build the installer, go. There's not much that you can reorder. Of course, on the second try, although the downloader caches whatever it downloads, it does not use that for the next round, it will throw it away and redownload everything. So 36 GB of traffic later, I gave up.

holydude 9y ago

The only problem I have with MS's ecosystem is their love to have a lot of concepts and name for everything. I am literally lost and I do not know what .NET/<whatever> is what and how it is used. So is this just Xamarin repackaged ?

educar 9y ago
This is no different from the apple ecosystem. Their programming is filled with so many jargons (talking of desktop UI development here)
- holydude 9y ago
  No idea you might be right but I have no problem navigating in Ruby/Go/JavaScript ecosystems. While with MS I have the feeling they produce new tech and new names every week.
  - pvg 9y ago
    Seems mostly a matter of getting used to it. What's a 'gem'? And a 'bundler'? A rake, a rack, a rail, a tilt, a merb? Make sure to browserify your webpack, take a moment, don't react, have a mocha before, gulp, bowser comes to get you. Wait no, it's fine, it's just bower.
    - pitaj 9y ago
      Those are specific module names, in the case of JS at least. Not really comparable with framework-specific jargon. A better comparison would be redux concepts like "action", "store", and "reducer".
      - pvg 9y ago
        No and no.
- smacktoward 9y ago
  It is different, though. In Apple-world, when you say "XCode," you mean a very specific thing. They don't have "XCode" the IDE for Macs and then also a bunch of completely different products running on different OSes that work completely differently, which all also happen to be named "XCode." Microsoft's inability to understand how branding works is longstanding and legendary.

BugsJustFindMe 9y ago

It would be really nice to have a microsoft rep in here to answer questions. Because what I really want is visual studio that can build C++ win32 MFC executables without having to run Windows in a virtual machine. Can it do that? I don't know.

stevenmays 9y ago
Someone with a twitter go page Scott Hanselman with this thread.
- philliphaydon 9y ago
  Scott wouldn't be able to help... I don't believe he has any influence at all with the VS Team. (or team that works on VS for Mac since it's a different team because it's built with Xamarin)
spongo2 9y ago
Hi! I'm Steve the C++ dev manager in Visual Studio. No, VS for Mac does not currently have C++ support but thanks for the feedback. One thing you could do is register your opinion here: https://visualstudio.uservoice.com/forums/563332-visual-studio-for-mac/suggestions/17141708-support-c-in-visual-studio-for-mac https://visualstudio.uservoice.com/forums/563332-visual-stud...
- BugsJustFindMe 9y ago
  Hey Steve, the website definitely makes it seem like it does. You should send a message to whoever manages that. See: http://imgur.com/a/exQvj http://imgur.com/a/exQvj

delegate 9y ago

Does it support C++ ? To me, "Visual Studio" is about C++ development and I miss a similarly powerful C++ IDE on the Mac. From what I can see, it only supports C# (and family), so what good is it to a C++ / OSX dev ?

garblegarble 9y ago
Have you tried out Jetbrains CLion? I used it briefly back in their EAP stages and it seemed to be going in a VS quality direction...
santaclaus 9y ago
Xcode is ok for C++ (not nearly as many features as Visual Studio on Windows, though).
- satysin 9y ago
  Xcode is pretty crap for C and C++ imho. Qt Creator or CLion are light years ahead of Xcode.
- delegate 9y ago
  I used to think that way too until I opened my project in Visual C++ (with the Visual Assist addon). The productivity boost was so great that I've decided to never use Xcode for C++ again and do all my development in a VM if I have to. Best alternative is Qt Creator and it's probably what I'm going to use for my next C++ project on the mac. Many people recommend CLion, but I've never really managed to actually use it (and it isn't free and runs on the jvm). Still VC++ is a powerful tool for C++ development, which is probably quite hard to beat, so having it on the mac would make using Windows totally optional :).
  - beagle3 9y ago
    VSCode is constantly improving. I haven't used Qt Creator in years, so I can't compare, but ... for my uses it is way ahead of PyCharm and WebStorm; I suspect it rivals QtCreator by now (as long as you're not writing a Qt based project)

0x0 9y ago

I find the naming "Visual Studio for Mac" pretty deceptive, since apparently it is not anything like the win32 VS environment, but instead based on Xamarin Studio. Even the tagline is deceptive: "The IDE you love, now on the Mac". I would guess this won't let you build/debug win32 or winforms or wpf applications, or install any .vsix extensions from the visual studio marketplace (of which there are lots of useful ones, such as this one to manage translations - https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=TomEnglert.ResXManager https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=TomEngle... ) - correct me if I'm wrong, but if I can't install my .vsix extensions, this is not "the IDE you love, now on the Mac".

anta40 9y ago
Or maybe a sort of "Xcode for .NET?"
criddell 9y ago
Microsoft is the worst at naming things. * when .Net first come out, everything was suddenly .Net * for a while, everything was Live * they had two technologies called Win RT * they pick names already in use by others (Metro, Skydrive) * Visual Studio Code? It's not Visual Studio Sometimes they do a good job: * Edge * Xenix * Azure * XBox "Surface" started out pretty strong, but I'm not sure it means much anymore.
- mixedCase 9y ago
  > Sometimes they do a good job: > * XBox Oh, do you mean Xbox 1 or Xbox One?
  - wtf_is_up 9y ago
    You know why they call it Xbox360? Because you take one look at it, turn 360 degrees, and walk away.
    - barking 9y ago
      you walk into it

jbmorgado 9y ago

I can't really understand the full depth from the announcement, but to me this looks like something that already existed for a few years, Xamarin. What are the diferences between this product and Xamarin for MacOS (something that already existed)?

adultSwim 9y ago

Mac is over

dang 9y ago
Please don't post unsubstantive comments to HN.

NDT 9y ago

I don't understand. I've been using VS on Mac for the past 3 months to develop C# applications for a class of mine. Was that just a beta? What's so different about this?

jrowley 9y ago
Visual Studio vs Visual Studio Code. 2 different applications with really similar names. Visual Studio Code is lighter weight - more similar to Sublime/Atom.
- bpicolo 9y ago
  They released this Visual Studio like a year ago, too. Might have been a "preview" or something? Free for all to download though. Edit: Yeah, this is just their GA release
- PenMount 9y ago
  And now it is Visual Studio vs Visual Studio code vs Visual Studio for mac 3 different applications with really similar names.
eksemplar 9y ago
It was probably the preview version, so yeah, pretty much the beta.

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perseusprime11 9y ago

Visual Studio Code is the way to go on Mac.

james-skemp 9y ago
Just installed Visual Studio for Mac (I've been using VS Code for a while on Windows and Mac) and first blush I'd agree. But to be determined after actual usage. Code is definitely targeted to be lightweight, and it shows. I also am a fan of Code's look, versus the Mac wrapper around VS for Mac. I'll probably give VS for Mac a try via a .NET Core tutorial, but for day-to-day JS dev I'll probably be keeping with VS Code.

keithly 9y ago

Release notes for today's update: https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/news/releasenotes/vs2017-mac-relnotes https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/news/releasenotes/vs2017-...

jhwhite 9y ago

Is this VS? Or just Xamarin? Could I do Python development on it like I can with Win VS?

srcmap 9y ago

I used to be a big VB, VC++ fan boy a long time ago. 1995 :-) Have since move on.... Tried built a few opensource apps with VS once a year for the past few years and found that I can't even compile a single Windows open source packages from github, sourceforge after weeks of trying. The code might claim to be able to build with VS10, VS12. The dependency libraries will need completely different VS version of .xml, .proj, .sln build systems. I challenge the PM of VS product try to build a few popular MS projs such as python, VLC, or anything in http://opensourcewindows.org/ http://opensourcewindows.org/. Document the process of building the app and dependence library. Compare that to the process of try to build that same packages in Mac (with brew) or in Linux. In Linux, for all the packages I like play with. "./configure && make" handle most of the the build in a few minutes. Even easier on Ubuntu with apt-get source/build commands. Very similar process in Mac. Even linux kernel, I can build it easily with pretty much the same 1-2 commands for the past 20 years.

tavert 9y ago
They're sort of trying to work on this, see https://github.com/Microsoft/vcpkg https://github.com/Microsoft/vcpkg. If things are strictly C++ and build using cmake, then MSVC is okay. Anything autotools or relying on inline assembly or overly complicated makefiles or scientific code that still depends on Fortran numerical libraries is a mess though. Much easier to use mingw-w64 gcc for those - bonus is you can cross compile and not have to do dev on Windows, just test the binaries.
voltagex_ 9y ago
Give me a couple of examples? Python is tied to an older Visual Studio normally. VS12 was different for reasons I can't remember but anything from VS13 onwards (for desktop) should build fine.
- tavert 9y ago
  Try compiling SciPy from source using Microsoft dev tools. Or libgmp, the standard library for arbitrary precision integer arithmetic.

nobleach 9y ago

I sincerely would LOVE to have an F# development IDE that didn't ask me to install Mono. I don't have anything against Mono, per se, I just want to see that Microsoft officially supports it across the three major platforms.

satysin 9y ago

I really wish Microsoft had made UWP cross-platform. Would be pretty amazing if I could use UWP/C# to target Windows, Linux, macOS, iOS and Android properly. With UWP being limited to just Windows I don't see it ever being a success.

eberkund 9y ago
Why? UWP is the future of application development on Windows. That's like saying Cocoa will never be a success. Also if you can make UWP apps, you can make Xamarin apps which are cross platform (for mobile at least).
- donblas33 9y ago
  Xamarin.Forms support for macOS is in preview: https://blog.xamarin.com/preview-bringing-macos-to-xamarin-forms/ https://blog.xamarin.com/preview-bringing-macos-to-xamarin-f...
- simooooo 9y ago
  It would be cool to have that display engine on other platforms though..
- flukus 9y ago
  UWP doesn't allow enough system access to ever be the future of Windows. At best it's the future of a locked down toy version of windows.
  - ThrowawayR2 9y ago
    > UWP doesn't allow enough system access to ever be the future of Windows. That's kind of the point. Most apps don't need unfettered system access and many (most?) app authors aren't capable of writing an app that's secure anyway; one of the biggest attack vectors today is through apps.
    - flukus 9y ago
      UWP won't replace win32 until it can handle all apps, not just most apps.

mixedCase 9y ago

Again? I've seen the announcement for its release three times on HN. And before someone mentions it, no I'm not confusing it with VS Code. I mean "Visual Studio for Mac", the Xamarin Studio fork.

RajenK 9y ago
Hi there, we actually released the product today, so it's generally available and fully supported. Hope that clears things up!

wkirby 9y ago

Is the installer in Chinese for anyone else?

vetinari 9y ago
There is something fishy going on, for me, it was in Russian.
yangcheng 9y ago
I got a mix of Chinese and English.

itsdrewmiller 9y ago

Let me know when this supports .NET 4.

jot 9y ago

Almost 10 years since I exchanged emails with Steve Ballmer about this: https://medium.com/@jot/me-and-steve-ballmer-in-2007-68456a554d41 https://medium.com/@jot/me-and-steve-ballmer-in-2007-68456a5...

migueldeicaza 9y ago
We are under new management :-)
swozey 9y ago
Haha, I love his reply. Sounds just like my investor. I've worked with him for 10 years and got to the point where I do my best to send yes or no questions and no more than a paragraph. I'd spend even more time writing it as I'd try to condense everything critical into basically a few bullet points for him to digest along with his other 200k emails a day.
Joeri 9y ago
I'm surprised he even replied at all, given that he must have received several thousand emails that day, and this one was ... rather long.
- deleted 9y ago
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- simonswords82 9y ago
  I wonder if it's Steve responding at all. His PA probably co-managed his inbox and would read and respond to this type of e-mail. Perhaps they also only forward on emails to Steve's "priority" inbox if they're worthy of his time?
  - toong 9y ago
    Would his PA reply to emails on a Sunday at 11:32 PM ?
    - 9y ago

dohboy 9y ago

Same strategy as always. Rebrand current products and call it new. This is not Visual Studio as known from Windows but Xamarin Studio rebranded. Title should be Microsoft release Xamarin update...

Sammi 9y ago
In fairness it seems like a pretty big update.

alex_suzuki 9y ago

Any chance we're going to get a Hololens development environment for the Mac anytime soon?

fotbr 9y ago

Since there's a PM here from Microsoft, I've got a couple questions regarding the requirement to "sign in with your Microsoft account": With all your branding changes over the years, what's considered a Microsoft account today? My old Hotmail account, that existed from the days before Microsoft bought Hotmail? I think it's still alive, but I haven't logged in in the better part of a decade to find out. The accounts created over the years for various Xbox machines? I think those are still around, but I doubt I could get into them at this point. The "Live" account I had to create for MSDN many years ago? Once that job and associated need for MSDN ended I've not logged in to see if it's still around. Which one(s) should I try to find login information for to use? Furthermore, why must I sign in in the first place for the free version? I can understand signing in to associate the install with a paid version with extra features, but I see no reason to require it for free versions without any paid features.

BugsJustFindMe 9y ago
> My old Hotmail account, that existed from the days before Microsoft bought Hotmail? I think it's still alive, but I haven't logged in in the better part of a decade to find out. I have some bad news for you... This is literally the reason I signed up with gmail when it came out. Microsoft used to have a log-in-within-30-days-or-we-delete-everything policy for Hotmail. Maybe it was even 90 days.
- umeshunni 9y ago
  It was 30 days as I found out the hard way sometimes in the early 2000s while traveling with no internet access for 2 months.
  - bredren 9y ago
    I too, lost data from this policy.
legohead 9y ago
I've essentially lost my Microsoft account. My password doesn't work, and it wont email me the security code. I try the "alternate email" option, which does work, but when I answer the validation questions it fails -- doesn't believe I am who I say I am, I guess. And when I try to contact support, it wont let me contact a person unless I login to my Microsoft account...

legohead 9y ago

Crashes during install process for me. :\ Looks like during Xamarin installation: /Users/USER/Downloads/Install Visual Studio.app/Contents/MacOS/Install_Xamarin - Terminating app due to uncaught exception 'NSInvalidArgumentException', reason: '-[NSScrollView heightAnchor]: unrecognized selector sent to instance 0x6080003c0870' Bummer.

therzok 9y ago
Do you have macOS at least 10.11?
- carreau 9y ago
  Does not matter. If it's incompatible with the OS it should say so and not crash.
  - vyedin 9y ago
    we shipped a fix for this Friday :)
    - carreau 9y ago
      <3

exabrial 9y ago

I don't even know what's real anymore...

kapuru 9y ago

Any .NET MVC developers here? I always wanted to learn ASP MVC, but never did because I was scared of the deployment situation on Linux. Has anything changed in that regard? Would you say deploying a .NET web app works almost as smooth on Linux as let's say a node.js app?

mihular 9y ago
I've deployed some webapi projects using docker. Very straightforward. I assume it should work nice if deployed directly.

rcarmo 9y ago

I've been waiting for this for a while. Only trouble so far is that the installer comes up in the wrong locale for me (it ignores the language ordering in Preferences and displays the installer in my secondary/input language, not English, unlike fully native apps).

vyedin 9y ago
that's been fixed since :)

jhasse 9y ago

This is still using GTK+ (3?), right? How did they manage to integrate the buttons in the title bar with it?

therzok 9y ago
Visual Studio for Mac's shell code is written in gtk+ 2. We have supporting code in gtk+ to allow mixing gtk widgets with native widgets. But the glue code isn't used here, because there is another interesting mechanism at play. The root window created by gtk on macOS is actually an NSWindow (see GdkQuartzWindow), thus you can use Cocoa APIs on the window. We just set the title visibility to hidden and set the native titlebar widget.
- jhasse 9y ago
  Nice! Thanks for the explanation. Do you plan to port to GTK 3 in the future? Does version 2 even have HiDPI support?
  - therzok 9y ago
    We have some glue code to workaround lack of retina/hidpi support in gtk+. Yes, having Gtk UI running on Gtk 3 is something we want to have at some point.
    - 0xFFC 9y ago
      This is the most unbelievable thing. Even WSL was kinda okay to imagine. But Microsoft and Gtk? I thought after buying Xamarin they would replace Gtk part.
      - tmsldd 9y ago
        Unbelievable :D
    - jhasse 9y ago
      Awesome! Thank you for still keeping up with GTK+ and hopefully also improving its support on macOS and Windows along the way. > lack of retina/hidpi support in gtk+. You should phrase this as "support in gtk+ 2", because since version 3 GTK+ supports HiDPI :)

baltcode 9y ago

Is there any way to run this/download a compatible version for OSX 10.9?

therzok 9y ago
Visual Studio for Mac requires OSX 10.11+.
- baltcode 9y ago
  I know ... am I the only one facing this predicament? I have an early 2009 Mac Pro with OSX 10.9. I don't want to break anything so I haven't updated to Sierra but more and more apps are incompatible with my computer now.
  - wila 9y ago
    Run it in a VM, that way you can keep your main machine on 10.9 and experiment in the VM with things like this. I guess you already know that 10.9 is no longer supported, so you might want to consider to at least update to 10.10.

minhoryang 9y ago

So beautiful!

DeepYogurt 9y ago

Hit download and get a popup for a free 60 day course. No thanks.

bitmapbrother 9y ago

Does Visual Studio for Mac have the same functionality as Visual Studio for Windows? If not then they should really stop confusing customers by rebranding a product that had nothing to do with Visual Studio for Windows.

JohnnyConatus 9y ago

Is VS for Mac recommended for typescript development? I'm using VS code right now.

Clobbersmith 9y ago

Is there a reason why the installer is in french? My preferred language is set to english.

kosinus 9y ago
You're not alone: https://twitter.com/brianbondy/status/862368140369567744 https://twitter.com/brianbondy/status/862368140369567744
tomku 9y ago
Definitely something wrong with the installer's language selection, got a Japanese installer when my primary MacOS language is English. Fortunately the installed app seems to respect the language setting.
vyedin 9y ago
No, you're not alone, but we've fixed it since. The new installer builds will choose the correct language.

zzbzq 9y ago

Coincidentally I was just using this & Xamarin Studio on mac today. I didn't realize VS Mac had released, I already had the beta. So far I don't like it as much! Not sure what features are here I actually care about as I'm just using Mono. The pads no longer make sense in VS for Mac. I just have debug pads open all the time. I can't really tell when I've stopped debugging. There's weird buttons on the pads that do nothing. Not sure why all the clutter is here, Xamarin Studio had this stuff figured out.

EGreg 9y ago

Can this do PHP and Javascript / Web Development? Objective C? Swift?

avenoir 9y ago

Is anybody doing professional development on .NET using VS for Mac? All this time i thought it was just Xamarin tools, but it looks like it actually has .NET Core project templates too. This has been the only thing that kept me away from Macs as a .NET dev.

gaza3g 9y ago

I'm currently working on an MVC5 project on .NET 4.6.1 using VS2015 on Windows. Can I load my solution on VS for Mac and have it work out of the box(restoring nuget packages...etc)?

gaius 9y ago

Bring back CodeWarrior I say

fleshweasel 9y ago

They're promoting this as a new dev environment for .NET Core, but there's still ZERO tooling for Razor. I tried starting a simple example project and the .cshtml files didn't even have any syntax highlighting, let alone syntax/type checking. I don't know how you work on cross-platform ASP.NET for this long and still not have the tooling for your templating engine ported.

thom 9y ago
Maybe the devs are busy switching project format every couple of months?

nexoman 9y ago

Wanted to try it but installer crashes on OSX Yosemite 10.10.5

vyedin 9y ago
This has been fixed - but be aware that VS for Mac requires 10.11 (el cap) as minimum

nexoman 9y ago

Wanted to try it but installer crashes on OSX Yosemite 10.10.5