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Show HN: Spotter – Search for copies of videos on the internet
- aaaawweeeee 9y agoDo you track what people search? What do you do with that data? Who do you share it with? What's the business model, if any?
- Kiro 9y agoWho says they're looking to monetize?
- aaaawweeeee 9y agoJust asking.
- nerdponx 9y agoSuggested by the fact that it's not Free Software, or even open source.
- Kiro 9y agoSuggested, yes, but anecdotally I release a lot of web services in the wild that is not open source and I don't have any plans on making any money off them. It's not binary "OS or monetization".
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- dickbasedregex 9y agoServers ain't free, mate.
- joaodmj 9y agoThanks for asking aaaawweeeee. Answers below: Do you track what people search? - No, we just get the video and search the web based on the keywords. What do you do with that data? - We don't keep the videos. We use our own fingerprints. Who do you share it with? - With the uploader of the video What's the business model - Trying to figure it out... Have any suggestion? :)
- laumars 9y agoI can see content holders willing to pay for an automated service if it's better than what's already available. Particularly if it issued take down requests as well.
- ikeboy 9y ago> No, we just get the video and search the web based on the keywords. So you're not indexing every video, you can only find videos that share some keywords with the original. If I had a video with no keywords it wouldn't show up even if it was an exact copy? How many videos will you analyze per search? If it's something with popular keywords and shows a million videos, will you download all of those and compare?
- joaodmj 9y agoikeboy: At this stage we are not indexing to control server costs. However, our goal is to have all videos indexed to reduce the searching time. We are searching the web based on keywords to reduce the searching space.
- smnscu 9y agoIt'd be interesting to build a tool to detect all the copyrighted material on YouTube that bypasses the automated checks. Some of the tricks used: * picture-in-picture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp1aOWUSRZg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp1aOWUSRZg * mirrored image * higher pitch * other?
- abdias 9y agoHow will you deal with fair-use?
- Asooka 9y agoYou don't have to, fair-use is a defence only applicable in court, the easiest way is to sue everyone and let their lawyers assert fair-use. AFAIK it's not unlawful, nor will you incur any fines, if you sue someone for using your copyrighted material if it ends up being declared fair-use. Additionally, I think youtube is even more lenient than that towards people asserting unlawful use of their copyrighted material. In short, fair-use does not exist outside of the courtroom and no amount of "I own no copyrights" or "No copyright intended" tags, or citing the copyright code on your videos can summon it.
- dickbasedregex 9y agoYouTube already does an absolutely horrible job with handling take-downs and fair use. I have zero interest in seeing any systems or algorithms built that would aid the sloppy, lazy, and greedy organizations shot gunning take downs, even on their own material and channels (always funny).
- yomly 9y agoThis amuses me greatly, got any tangible examples?
- emodendroket 9y agojwz posted a thing about his long saga fighting a takedown of horror movie reviews.
- mholmes680 9y agojust fyi - got flagged as malware in my company network.
- joaodmj 9y agoHi mholmes680! That's important for us to know. Can you share some details? What page were you in or what were you doing?
- mholmes680 9y agoJust clicked the link directly from HN, redirect ends up "This domain is blocked due to a security threat." no real info on that page that i can share though. My company is very aggressive with security and maybe out of date blacklist?
- joaodmj 9y agoThanks mholmes680... probably related to the previous owner... not sure how we can change that. If you have any insight please share And thanks for the heads up :)
- mysterypie 9y agoIt's still beta (i.e., slightly buggy) I think. I did their suggested Pepsi video search[1], then picked a lower ranked YouTube video titled "GiveMeNews"[2] where it claims that "61% of your video was found here". But that video consists a single frozen frame from the Pepsi ad and someone talking for a couple minutes. One frame isn't 61% of the video. [1] https://dashboard.spotter.tech/reports/1?platform=youtube https://dashboard.spotter.tech/reports/1?platform=youtube [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKrDECFhosA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKrDECFhosA
- joaodmj 9y agoHey mysterypie. Yes we just launch and want to collect as much feedback as possible. Thanks for that note, we are checking that. The good thing is that we were able to found a single frame from the original video :)
- nefitty 9y agoYeah, that actually sounds like it could be very useful as well! Good work on this so far.
- personlurking 9y agoFYI: You can only test the default videos. Trying any other (Youtube) video URLs leads to them asking for you to sign up in order to see the results.
- joaodmj 9y agoHi personlurking! Yes, because we just launched today and need to control our servers we are asking for you email to send you the reports and hear back from your experience. Thanks for trying :)
- rwinn 9y agoJumped through the hoops and signed up to submit my own video, still "Queued to analyze..." after 1h.
- rwinn 9y agoGot the results now, posted one of my own videos I know has been reuploaded multiple times: 0 total copies were found with 0 total views Original: https://vimeo.com/132700334 https://vimeo.com/132700334 Some known re-uploads: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0oSKFUnEXc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0oSKFUnEXc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onbi3Ws8fng https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onbi3Ws8fng https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCE-QeDfXtA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCE-QeDfXtA --- Great concept, would love if it actually worked.
- joaodmj 9y agorwinn, thanks for checking our platform and for your patience waiting for the results. It's great to know your experience and the results you got (or lack of those :P). We'll check it and get back to you with some news. (we just launch the tool and it's still on Beta).
- doh 9y agoI know you didn't ask for this, but I took the liberty to run the video you asked for through our data and here are the results [0]. As you can see, pretty decent amount of them found across many different sites. These results look much more impressive for massively viral videos, but even this paints an interesting picture. [0] https://www.dropbox.com/s/2913aiiug2bvwb9/pex_Inside_an_Artificial_Brain_HD__copies_05112017.csv?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/2913aiiug2bvwb9/pex_Inside_an_Arti...
- rwinn 9y agoImpressive results! Even where the original is distorted and mixed with other videos it's detected. I take it you use a different technique than spotter?
- Sir_Cmpwn 9y agoSounds like an excellent tool for censorship and copyright enforcement. Can we not make things like this?
- austenallred 9y agoBecause copyright enforcement is inherently evil? Please
- Sir_Cmpwn 9y agoYes, if you use a shotgun approach. Fair use is a thing.
- Silhouette 9y agoFair use is a thing in the US. It's not a thing in most other places, at least not in anything like the same generic form. And of course a great deal of online copying isn't fair use even in the US. A shotgun approach is one thing, but speaking as someone who's seen content produced by his businesses shared online, 100% of the copies we've found were blatantly infringing. Trying to keep track of them and get them taken down does waste time that we'd rather spend on activities like making more content. Given that YouTube are awful at dealing with legitimate takedown requests from small businesses (again, personal experience talking here) a tool that would rapidly identify infringing content and let us review it and submit a properly formed takedown notice quickly could be very useful.
- Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago>Trying to keep track of them and get them taken down does waste time that we'd rather spend on activities like making more content Then don't. If people want to steal your content, it's going to be stolen. You cannot solve that. It's better to spend your time making more content and better content so your paying customers pay more and refer more paying friends.
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- gondo 9y agosimilar service https://pex.com/ https://pex.com/
- joaodmj 9y agoThanks gondo! Please try our tool and give us feedback ;) Which one got the best results?
- doh 9y agoCongratulations to the team on the release. It's exciting to see more companies entering the market. We built a similar service [0] although from the first look it seems we took a different path. Our approach is to crawl all videos and music on the web, fingerprint the multimedia content and search through the fingerprints. We just recently passed 4B indexed videos (we run a bit large scale [1]). Thus our results are bit different. Here is an example for gangnam style for comparison [2]. Anyway good luck. Feel free to reach out if there is anything we can do to help. [0] https://pex.com https://pex.com [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13259415 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13259415 [2] http://i.imgur.com/3KDKHsI.png http://i.imgur.com/3KDKHsI.png
- joaodmj 9y agoHey doh! Thanks for reaching out. We have no videos indexed and we are doing strictly visual search - we are Computer Vision evangelists :) Thanks for your availability, likewise: feel free to drop us a note.
- dang 9y agoPlease don't reply to people with their usernames; HN's threaded comments make that redundant, and it breaks the sense of normal conversation in much the way that repeating people's names out loud would.