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Obviously, the numbers vary a lot, but most top tier firms will start you at a minimum of 150-200k usd including bonus the first year. If I had to estimate the
by allenleein 9y ago
Obviously, the numbers vary a lot, but most top tier firms will start you at a minimum of 150-200k usd including bonus the first year. If I had to estimate the median salary growth from there on, I'd guess it to be around 50% a year, with the rate slowing down as you get to 750-1mm. After five years on the job, the median would be around 700k, with the top 10 percentile making more than 2-3mm. At that point, if you're good, you're probably leading a team (or are a senior quant in an all-star team), and your bonus depends almost entirely on performance.
An interesting downside to this, especially for young traders who get to the high numbers, is that they often begin to treat their bonuses as a given. Once you make seven figures, it becomes easy to assume that your smarts will ensure financial prosperity for the rest of your life. But bonuses in trading are very volatile - I think of mine like an NFL player's paycheck, rather than a software engineer's salary. Competition from different firms, financial regulation and shifts in market structure often come in the way of long term salary guarantees. Over the years, I've seen that those who survive through thick and thin (well, 'thin' in a strictly relative sense) are the ones genuinely passionate about the intellectual challenges of trading.
From Quora:
https://www.quora.com/How-much-do-traders-at-big-quantitative-hedge-funds-like-Renaissance-or-Two-Sigma-typically-make https://www.quora.com/How-much-do-traders-at-big-quantitativ...
- vostok 9y agoThat starting range is approximately correct, but the median is not $700k after 5 years.
- allenleein 9y agoso what's the num?
- vostok 9y agoI would guess that the median is around $300k if you consider only PM-track roles at top firms. It depends on the firm, but the typical breakdown will be somewhere between $100k salary plus $200k bonus and $150k salary plus $150k bonus. If you consider non-PM track roles then the average is lower and if you consider lower tier firms then the average is lower. That doesn't mean that nobody makes $700k -- there's a very famous example of someone at a lower tier firm who took home $10 million. There are firms where the PM takes the bulk of the money and little filters down to junior level staff. There are firms where by 5 years you're either fired or getting paid a lot. There are firms that hire relatively few people and pay junior level staff very well. I don't know if I would estimate as high as $700k, but the median here is going to be very good. These firms make up a small minority.
- allenleein 9y agoLike Two Sigma and Jane Street?
- arcanus 9y agoTwo sigma starts total comp for a recent PhD around 250k.
- BenjaminTodd 9y agoThank you for the interesting estimates!