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You know that there's tons of for-profit prisons right? I've always been a proponent of hard labor camps, short sentences, and judicial forgiveness. Put them in

You know that there's tons of for-profit prisons right? I've always been a proponent of hard labor camps, short sentences, and judicial forgiveness. Put them in for a few months, work the living hell out of them, get 'em out and back in a regular job in a regular place as far away from criminal influences, and see if crime doesn't plummet. Current prisons reinforce risk taking behaviors and can worsen behavioral disorders that can lead to crime in the outside, and violence in the inside.

minikites 9y ago
>for-profit prisons >see if crime doesn't plummet It doesn't take a PhD in economics to realize that attaching a profit motive to incarceration just might increase "crime" since a for-profit prison naturally wants to increase profits.
- killin_dan 9y ago
  But it takes a bit of common sense to realize prisons aren't lawless hellscapes and are very strictly regulated and closely monitored. Particularly private sector ones. You also are shoehorning what I actually said into "hurr sure for-profit prisons are great" when I actually offered a critique and possible remedy to the problem at hand. The prisons could easily be structured in such a way that penalties could be used when excons don't reintegrate well, and bonuses when they do. Bam, easy. Prisons aren't a business, even if money is involved. They are supposed to rehabilitate people, and I think there's plenty of work to be done in coming years to restructure how prisons operate, the rules that they need to play by, and strategies for correcting risk taking behavior in excons.
  - minikites 9y ago
    >strictly regulated and closely monitored Yikes. You should really examine this topic in more detail: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/cca-private-prisons-corrections-corporation-inmates-investigation-bauer http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/cca-private-pris... >We could try to break up a fight if we wanted, he says, but since we won't have pepper spray or a nightstick, he wouldn't recommend it. "We are not going to pay you that much," he says emphatically. "The next raise you get is not going to be much more than the one you got last time. The only thing that's important to us is that we go home at the end of the day. Period. So if them fools want to cut each other, well, happy cutting." >I ask one of the regular white-shirted COs what an average day in seg looks like. "To be honest with you, normally we just sit here at this table all day long," he tells me. They are supposed to walk up and down the eight tiers every 30 minutes to check on the inmates, but he says they never do that. https://www.aclu.org/banking-bondage-private-prisons-and-mass-incarceration https://www.aclu.org/banking-bondage-private-prisons-and-mas... >Private facilities have also been linked to atrocious conditions. In a juvenile facility in Texas, for example, auditors reported, "[c]ells were filthy, smelled of feces and urine."
    - killin_dan 9y ago
      Both my parents are career wardens in a supermax. (two different ones) But I'm sure Google has taught you more about prison than what they've taught me. I'll be sure to examine things with more detail, lmao
      - minikites 9y ago
        Well then, if two whole prisons aren't corrupt (by the standards of parents being wholly truthful with their children and not omitting any embarrassing details or exaggerating their achievements to look good) then I'm sure all prisons are just fine and any reports of corruption are just people with an agenda.
        killin_dan 9y ago
        You mean by standards of myself having been there and seen them, but sure. I think there's plenty of room for improvement for the prison system, and I've enjoyed discussing it with you. You have broadened my perspective on the issue
everyone 9y ago
afaik, for profit prisons main source of income is money they receive from the state for each prisoner they house. So, its still coming from tax money.

minikites 9y ago

>for-profit prisons >see if crime doesn't plummet It doesn't take a PhD in economics to realize that attaching a profit motive to incarceration just might increase "crime" since a for-profit prison naturally wants to increase profits.

killin_dan 9y ago
But it takes a bit of common sense to realize prisons aren't lawless hellscapes and are very strictly regulated and closely monitored. Particularly private sector ones. You also are shoehorning what I actually said into "hurr sure for-profit prisons are great" when I actually offered a critique and possible remedy to the problem at hand. The prisons could easily be structured in such a way that penalties could be used when excons don't reintegrate well, and bonuses when they do. Bam, easy. Prisons aren't a business, even if money is involved. They are supposed to rehabilitate people, and I think there's plenty of work to be done in coming years to restructure how prisons operate, the rules that they need to play by, and strategies for correcting risk taking behavior in excons.
- minikites 9y ago
  >strictly regulated and closely monitored Yikes. You should really examine this topic in more detail: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/cca-private-prisons-corrections-corporation-inmates-investigation-bauer http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/cca-private-pris... >We could try to break up a fight if we wanted, he says, but since we won't have pepper spray or a nightstick, he wouldn't recommend it. "We are not going to pay you that much," he says emphatically. "The next raise you get is not going to be much more than the one you got last time. The only thing that's important to us is that we go home at the end of the day. Period. So if them fools want to cut each other, well, happy cutting." >I ask one of the regular white-shirted COs what an average day in seg looks like. "To be honest with you, normally we just sit here at this table all day long," he tells me. They are supposed to walk up and down the eight tiers every 30 minutes to check on the inmates, but he says they never do that. https://www.aclu.org/banking-bondage-private-prisons-and-mass-incarceration https://www.aclu.org/banking-bondage-private-prisons-and-mas... >Private facilities have also been linked to atrocious conditions. In a juvenile facility in Texas, for example, auditors reported, "[c]ells were filthy, smelled of feces and urine."
  - killin_dan 9y ago
    Both my parents are career wardens in a supermax. (two different ones) But I'm sure Google has taught you more about prison than what they've taught me. I'll be sure to examine things with more detail, lmao
    - minikites 9y ago
      Well then, if two whole prisons aren't corrupt (by the standards of parents being wholly truthful with their children and not omitting any embarrassing details or exaggerating their achievements to look good) then I'm sure all prisons are just fine and any reports of corruption are just people with an agenda.
      - killin_dan 9y ago
        You mean by standards of myself having been there and seen them, but sure. I think there's plenty of room for improvement for the prison system, and I've enjoyed discussing it with you. You have broadened my perspective on the issue

everyone 9y ago

afaik, for profit prisons main source of income is money they receive from the state for each prisoner they house. So, its still coming from tax money.