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> More often than not, wonderful things are created out of hatred for the status-quo. Example? Cos I'm not a fan of the rationalisation of the World Wars as "o

• rexpop 9y ago
  I think you're missing the point. I took it as a suggestion that dissatisfaction is the mother of invention.
  • euyyn 9y ago
    There's a big jump from dissatisfaction to hatred, though.
• peterhadlaw 9y ago
  Or like, just ignore the hatred? It's just words.
• thomastjeffery 9y ago
  Wars are not "hatred". They are action. Specifically, action driven by hatred. The internet is not a collection of action, rather, it is a collection of information. If we do anything to restrict information, that very action restricts innovation and understanding. > Most people on the Internet are actually spending their time in a small number of ecosystems, like Facebook, Google, Twitter, YouTube. The very fact that most internet users spend their time on centralized networks lends itself as a perfect example of how controlled, but uncategorized information networks are detrimental to discussion. Imagine all of Reddit were on one subreddit. The lack of categorization would lead to an unruly, and useless platform for communication. The reason Reddit is so successful is that it promotes specific conversation about any topic, without restriction. The only way that is feasible is through categorization, via subreddits. > we need an Internet 2.0 We need an "internet 2.0" to promote the ecosystem that existed with "internet 0.1". We need decentralization (like ZeroNet, IPFS, etc.) to promote free, categorized, distribution of information.
  • futun 9y ago
    You'll never get that to fly in today's political climate. We have a serious problem of righteous minds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Righteous_Mind https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Righteous_Mind
    • theseatoms 9y ago
      While properly calibrated to the recent past, that sentiment comes across as unnecessarily defeatist.
    • thomastjeffery 9y ago
      Get what to fly?
  • jansho 9y ago
    Wars are actions driven by hatred when hatred becomes the status quo. Hatred can be the status quo of the Internet. The Internet may just be a collection of information, but it is continually being shaped by user actions. The Internet is also increasingly taking a large part of our lives, to the point that what happens there also affects the "real" world. We effectively live in two worlds now which influence each other. And like all systems, the Internet is subject to entropy, and to an extent, I agree with you: restricting information is harsh, a better design of the Internet that leads to better presentation of information is much more preferable. But how this Internet 2.0 looks like, to be honest I have no idea. I see your point about categorisation but even Reddit can spill into other ecosystems which may have less categorisation, like a meme gone viral on Twitter. Most of these ecosystems are designed with a strong characteristic for virality built in - connectedness that is further enhanced by a sophisticated understanding of human psychology and targeted applications (e.g. personalisation.) (Dear lord that is mouthy.) And that's the big question really. With super connectedness, and entropy, is it inevitable then that hatred eventually becomes the status quo?
    • thomastjeffery 9y ago
      > even Reddit can spill into other ecosystems which may have less categorisation, like a meme gone viral on Twitter. That is exactly the problem. The most popular communication platforms on the internet are Facebook and Twitter. These platforms do not have enough categorization. Because of that fact, those who choose to get information through these platforms are vulnerable to fake news, targeted advertising, gossip, etc. We need a decentralized internet to protect from censorship, but we also need decentralized platforms to categorize information (and communication) and thereby promote education and creation.
• spc476 9y ago
  1997 called, they want their idealism back. How will it be different this time? I recall all the hype of the late 90s Internet, being a open, decentralized and democratized communications medium that will heal all wounds, and more importantly, treat censorship as damage and route around it ("International borders are mere speed bumps in the Information Superhighway").
• dilemma 9y ago
  >Most people on the Internet are actually spending their time in a small number of ecosystems, like Facebook, Google, Twitter, YouTube. Each of these has its own set of rules, which ultimately defines how we communicate and therefore the limitations. Or ecosystems like Hacker News. Let's shut down Hacker News. No? Because you like it? Your subjective judgment should rule?
  • jansho 9y ago
    Where was I even subjective there? Of course the way the systems are designed affect how we communicate and how information is made available, whether for good or for bad. Now it's necessary to consider them because hatred has gone viral - Internet 2.0 is one radical solution (whatever it may be), but patching up here and there may be the best realistic solution. Shrugs, I don't know, it's an imagined WIP in my head too. But we have to drop the utopian view in order to get closer to fixing it. (Apologies if this comes across as a harsh tone - it's not meant at all.)
    • dilemma 9y ago
      You're subjective when you mention some platforms but leave out others.
      • jansho 9y ago
        "in a small number of ecosystems, like Facebook, Google, Twitter, YouTube and so on." Hope that's clearer now.
• dilemma 9y ago
  >Most people on the Internet are actually spending their time in a small number of ecosystems, like Facebook, Google, Twitter, YouTube. Each of these has its own set of rules, which ultimately defines how we communicate and therefore the limitations. Or ecosystems like Hacker News. Let's shut down Hacker News. No? Because you like it? Your subjective judgment should rule?
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